A quarter of local health groups in England are asking patients to wait longer for hospital care to bring down NHS deficits, a BBC survey suggests. Two thirds of the 152 primary care trusts (PCTs) responded.
Some are imposing minimum waiting times, while others are telling patients and GPs they won't pay for some treatments until April. Health minister Caroline Flint said some areas had to "live within their means" but patients would not suffer.
In some areas patients are even finding that certain treatments have simply been taken off the list for NHS funding.
This is simply MORE PROOF that nationalized/socialized/universal healthcare SUCKS.
16 comments:
I love your title. I can totally see myself describing it just that way.
You seem to be taking a single example of something bad happening, and trying to say that this is a common occurence in Britain, and that this could only happen in a nationalised healthcare system. This is intellectually rather feeble, and extrapolation in same league as 'Iraq has weapons of mass destruction'.
Listen up: The plural of anecdote is anecdotes - not DATA.
Your system of healthcare in the US is so good at promoting human rights and freedom, that 40% of your population don't have adequate insurance, and healthcare is the leading cause of personal bankruptcy.
I would still rather have our system than yours despite it's faults. It's faults are that it is administered by politicians NOT professionals. It has nothing to do with the fact that we actually give a shit about poor people. Our politicians are currently hell bent in handing over large chunks of our system to Untied Health - just when we thought it couldn't get shitter.....
DR MUSTARD - YOUR FACTS ARE WRONG.
45 MILLION HAVE NO HEALTHCARE INSURANCE, BUT ALL RECEIVE MEDICAL CARE.
IN WAS IN THAT POOL ONCE. I GOT CARE.
IT'S THE LAW.
NO ONE FLIES TO THE UK OR FRANCE OR ITALY OR RUSSIA OR CANADA FOR HEALTHCARE. HUNDREDS OF THOUSANDS COME HERE TO THE USA.
EFF OFF YOU COMMIE ANTI-SEMITE.
YEAH: ANTI-SEMITE!
I READ YOUR COMMENTS AT THE NHSBLOG.
YOU HOLD ISRAEL TO A DIFFERENT STANDARD THAN ALL OTHER NATIONS - AND THAT IS ANTI-SEMITISM.
AND YOUR VIEWS ON IRAQ ARE IDIOTIC.
9/11 OCCURRED BEFORE THE IRAQ WAR.
AS DID THE ATTACK ON THE US EMABSSIES IN AFRICA, THE ATTACK ON THE USS COLE, THE ATTACK ON KHOBAR, ETC. INCLUDING THE ATTACK ON THE WTC IN NYC IN 1993.
AND THERE HAVE BEEN 7OOO ATTCKS GLOBALLY SINCE 9/11 - AND MOST HAVE NOTHING TO DO WITH THE USA OR ISRAEL OR NEOCONS.
MOST OF THE KILLING IN IRAQ IS MUSLIM-ON-MUSLIM. AND THIS SHIA-SUNNI WAR IS 1300 YEARS OLD. THAT MEANS IT'S OLDER THAN THE IRAQ WAR.
2000 MURDERED IN THAILAND SINCE 2004 - AND NOT ONE BECASUE OF LIKUDNIKS OR BUSHIES.
SO EFF OFF. I MEAN IT.
WAKE UP TO THE POST-USSR/POST 9/11 WORLD OR EFF OFF.
Wow, you really are one stupid fuck.
ONLY RETARDS WITH SMALL DICKS SHOUT LIKE THIS TO MAKE A POINT!!!
Fuckwit.
Only a facist thinks normal people are commies.
Only a n isreal-o-facist thinks nomal people are anti-semitic because they question a states policies.
The problems with the NHS are that it is being run by Totalitarian Capitalists who think something like you (if you can call it thinking).
The problems with US healthcare (ie: the fact that it is bankrupting the largest car manufacturers, and that it does not treat a quarter of the population at all) is that it is being run by Totalitarian Capitalists who think something like you (if you can call it thinking).
Fuck me?
No. Fuck you!
YOU LOOKING AT ME?
Oh, please. Grow up and die you stupid, sad, pathetic, little fart.
(Go on, I dare you to remove this comment. You know you want to. Mummy! Mummy! Their calling me names again, mummy! That's right - run on home, you little prick).
Yeah Fuck off! I am Jewish actually, and I expect the STATE of Israel to act within the confines of international law, just like I wish Britain and America would.
If we're talking facts, check this out:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semitic
Get you're fucking facts right before you start calling people 'jew-haters'. If you want to call me a 'Jew-Hater', just get your terminology right first you hare-brained inbred hick.
p.s. Who the fuck calls anyone a Commie anymore? Go Suck Joe McCarthy's dead dick! Ever heard of a Liberal before?
er um... if you favor socialized medicine them you are a collectivist/socialist/communist.
so i call you waht you are.
you are a self-hating jew. israel is within all international law.
as are the other nations you DON'T CHOSE to criticize for putting up their anti-0terror walls; ergo YOU ARE ANTI-SEMITIC.
if you don't like being called what you are, then change what you are.
as for joe mccarthy: HE WAS A great american.
he went after commie spies and was right to.
alger hiss was a spy for the commies as were nearly ALL mccarthy went after.
the man who was defended by his lawyer yelling (famously) "HAVE YOU NO SHAME" at joe mccarthy was a commie spy.
there were NO WITHCHUNTS.
wicthes do not exist.
commie infiltrators did!
hunting them was patriotism, not witchhunting.
and you are a commie anti-semitic piece of shit.
Why don't they just build the wall in Israel then I wouldn't criticize them you moron.
Name another country that has built border fortifications in someone else's country.
Did someone mention Guantanamo Bay?
I LUVYA DR MUSTARD YOU ANTI-SEMITIC FUKYA!
THE WALL IS in isrsel YOU PIECE OF ANTI-SEMITIC SHIT!
the 1967 borders WERE NOT internationally recognized and unscr 242 says that internationally recognized borders MUST MUST MIST be borders which give the nation of israel defensible boundaries.
as this cannot be negotiated with genocidally murderous jihadomaniacs like hamas the israelis are putting a TEMPORARY wall where they can get DEFENSE.
it is unilateral but ONLY becasue they have no partner on the other side.
the fact that you don't accept that REALITY further proves your anti-semitism. (have you ever fucking read unscr 242 you asshole!?!? i doubt it. you just accept the party-line on that as you do on so much else!)
and to bring up GITMO!?!?!? where the prisoners PUT ON WEIGHT!?!?!?
and where EVERY prisoner was a NON-UNIFORMED violator of the geneva treaty. sheesh.
i mean FUCKIn' sheesh.
you are the lowest piece of shit i have run into in a long time.
and that's saying a lot because i live in NYC which is peopled with MILLIONS of atheistic jews like you.
fuckouff u anti-semitic and IDIOTIC fuckwad.
you are lower than dog turd. you smell worse and have a lower IQ.
dog turd is less anti-semitic, too.
dog turd.
such as you pictured in a LARGE JPEG at YOUR BLOG.
so... lest anyone should think i have sunk too low in my insults... i merely regurgitate the insults dr mustard has used against others at his blog.
At last, an American who makes George W Bush look like Aristole!
Fuck off you jive turkey sister fucker!
The physical and economic blockade of the Palestinian territories, together with puntive Israeli military action are causing the deaths of more more people than Palestinian terrorists many times over - you forgot to count them! The life expectency in Gaza is much lower than it was 20 years ago. None of this is good.
If the Aya-toll-aaah of Eye-raan was bombing your town, and your kids got killed - you seem to me like the kind of person that would strike back by any means necessary if your country's military couldn't do it for you. Do you deny that?
The STATE of Israel has an absolute right to exist (no question of that), but it will never exist in peace until the political problem is solved (like Northern Ireland) -religion is merely used as an excuse to do horrendous things to the 'other side'. Fighting will only exacerbate the situation and make positions further entrenched.
In the 70s and 80s, the Palestinian people around the world were the most educated group of people on EARTH - in PhDs per head. What do Palestinian kids do today? Skip school and chuck stones at Israeli soldiers. Their education and health systems have been destroyed by blockade and viloence, and terrorists are revered as hereos and militiant Islam is taking advantage of this.
In the mean time, I don't think a palestinian child's life is worth any less than anyone else's. Do you?
It's a shame that America and Israel seem determined to ignore the hard lessons learnt by european colonial powers in the past. Of course they knbow better - they've got fucking big tanks and can drop bombs on anything the bloody like.
You're still a scary ignorant Fuckwit. Get it into your peasized excuse for a brain that criticism of Israel's politics is not the same as hated of it's religion. Would you like to explain why my view point is 'anti-semitic' (when we've already established that Arabs are 'semitic' people too), and your oh so well considered opinion is not 'anti-arab'.
Personally I wish they'd all grow up and start behaving like adults.
Got that? Then fuck off!
Fuck me! I've just realise that you said:
"and to bring up GITMO!?!?!? where the prisoners PUT ON WEIGHT!?!?!?
What the fuck does that mean? does it mean that they weren't starved during 'rendition', or that they aren't allowed to run around? Or what?
Pate de fois gras anyone?
Dog-turd is anti-semitic?
What fucking planet are you on? How can an inanimate object express ideological bias against people decended from the ancient semitic tribes of the middle east including Palestinians and Hebrews? That's a truley spaced out concept 'home'.
Must be planet US of A where everything's black and white.
I thought T'eam America- World Police' was an over the top parody. I bet you think it's the blueprint for future foreign policy.
What are your views on Homosexuality? Let me guess.........
dr must-retard:
you wrote:
"What the fuck does that mean? does it mean that they weren't starved during 'rendition', or that they aren't allowed to run around? Or what?"
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fact:L not a single prisoner of gitmo was RENDERED there; each had a hearing before they were transported in military airplanes.
rendition was for a few people picked up far from a battlefield.
also: none of the gitmo prisoners are technically POW's by geneva treaty standards since IN GFAT their nations are NOT SIGNATOPRIES and they were NOT UNIFORMED. the SCOTUS decided they should get the benefits anyhow.
DR UN-INFORMED:
homosexuality has no0 place in this thread, and the fact that you bring it up proves you are a leftist piece of dog turd, too.
this is typical leftist arguing style: when the facts are against you bring up mccarthy homos gitmo - next will be ABU GHRAIB and black slavery!!!
i will offer this red-meat top you tho: homosexuality is not normative.
ENOUGH ADOLESCENT CURSIONG. HERE ARE THE FACTS:
the problem w/socialist healthcare is NOT waiting times - though they are AWFUL and adversely effect public health, (as when it takes 3-4 weeks for brits to get tested for STD's).
the real problem is that when the STATE controls BOTH healthcare and pensions they have a POWERFUL incentive NOT to give expensive life-saving care to older people.
we have blogged on cases like this many times - one recently covered by the BBC.
a man needed a lung transplant in order TO LIVE, and the NHS said SORRY.
he paid for one on his own is is doing fine thank you.
the state turned him down because they have a DOUBLE WINDFALL when they turn him and others like him down: they save tens of thousands of dollars by denying the care and rehab and drugs, AND -- because the patient soon dies - they save the pensions payout.
this is why it is FUNDAMENTALLY and principally WRONG to have the sate control either healthcare or pensions.
sure: we have a healthcare INSURANCE problem in the states.
but i pray we solve it with pro-market/pro-consumer policies and NOT by doing what the UK and most of the EU did.
BTW: the chief reason the UKL and the EU could AFFORD to do it for the last few decades was because the USA taxpayers and USA military were covering the cost of defending the UK and the EU from the commies.
as when it takes 3-4 weeks for brits to get tested for STD's).
That's not true. More than 90% are seen and tested on the day they attend the clinic - the rest in 2-3 days. Exceptions to this do not indicate a trend/normality.
a man needed a lung transplant in order TO LIVE, and the NHS said SORRY.
Even less true. Lung transplants need someone else to die before they can go ahead. If there are no organs available - no transplant. There is absolutely NO rationing in transplants in Britain - and we will not comercialise the trade in human organs. If you want to buy organs from executed chinese petty theives that's your choice.
DON'T BELIEVE EVERYTHING YOU READ ON THE BBC- NO ONE IN BRITAIN DOES ANYMORE -( it's a nationalised pseudocommunist government pravdaesque mouthpiece.) Only joking, it's journalists are just as crap as everyone else's.
Our problem is that that our incompetent elected governments will not relinquish 'power' to those that know what they are talking about, and seem hell bent on 'reorganising' the system every 2 years just as the last 'reform' is starting to work OK - it is beaurocratic job creation at it's most extreme. Fuck Democracy on this one - If i were ill I'd rather be treaed by a doctor than my Memeber of Parliament - a few thousand votes doesn't make you a fucking expert, experience does. They chose to ignore experts in favour of people who tell them what they want to hear.
If one excepts that need for an 'insurance industry', then you accept that a significant proportion of the resources will be consumed by insurance companies themselves - money that goes nowhere near a patient. Insurance companies would rather spend 'x' on denying a patient a treatment than spending 'x' or 'x+1' on trteating the patient.
Insurance companies are bastards - they are in it for themselves, and the law is insufficient protection from small print and lawyers.
Call us idealistic, but to be truely civilised a country must have equality and social justice as it's heart - this is most readily demonstrated by universal healthcare and education.
The British medical profession is idealistic and not money driven, and along with the nurses has supported the NHS through years of underfunding (it's still underfunded as a %age of GDP) by goodwill alone. The NHS is NOT seen as a socialist institution in Britain anymore, it's too important. I am not a socialist, neither to I subscribe to anyone else political dogma.
If this government continues to introduce private sector reform in the current manner, then it will loose this goodwill, and the nurses and doctors will demand more money (market forces mean they will get it!) - hugely increasing costs for no additional benefit.
I have huge personal loyalty to the NHS. If I end up working for Walmart or TESCO then then......
p.s. Britain has always spent more of it's GDP on defence thatn any other European nation. I am not a 'Europhile' as much as I love France and the French - I don't wan't to share politics with the cheese eating bastards.
NATIONALIZE HEALTHCARE.... its easy, simple, and better. Period. A doctor can live on 1 million a year instead of 10 million. Dont be naive.
My wife waited a week to get a Doctor ordered M.R.I.. After 2 weeks we got an appointment for surgery in Århus,we get there and "the Doctor" is sick. One Doctor? The private practice dont "do" the operation. The choice is singular. It sucks.
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