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Friday, February 22, 2008

OBAMA IN TEXAS DEBATE: LIAR, DUPE, OR ENEMY-PROPAGANDIST

WELCOME ABCNEWS READERS AND YGLESIAS READERS AND FOLKS FROM OBAMA'S CAMPAIGN WEBSITE!

*******UPDATE
: SEE GATEWAY FOR UPDATES!!!!

*******UPDATE: ABC and Yglesias and Obama are attempting a push-back, but they fail. ALSO SEE: JAWA and ALLAHP and ACE and THE CORNER for refutations of these attempts.

MY CONCLUSION: OBAMA IS A NOT A DUPE; HE IS A LIAR DOING ENEMY PROPAGANDA.

WHY!? HERE'S ONE SIMPLE REASON:
  • HE DELIBERATELY TWISTED THE STORY THE CAPTAIN TOLD HIM (BECAUSE USING CAPTURED ENEMY WEAPONS WAS INCIDENTAL AND COMMON) AND DELIBERATELY FRAMED IT AS IF IT WAS RECENT WHEN IN FACT THE CAPTAIN'S OWN VERSION WAS IN 2004 AND BEFORE THE LAST ELECTION.
  • OBAMA MIGHT AS WELL BE TALKING ABOUT D-DAY'S MASSIVE ERRORS AND SMEARING IKE.
GATEWAY:** Barack Obama Insists US Soldiers Use Taliban Weapons!
--The Audacity of Stealing Guns from the Taliban.

... WOW!... Obama claims US soldiers in Afghanistan are capturing Taliban weapons because this was easier than getting weapons from the government.
You've got to be kidding?

He must think US soldiers are all Rambo's-- wrestling weapons out of the hands of the Islamists!
Here's the nutty video:

Obama said what?
OBAMA: You know, I've heard from an Army captain who was the head of a rifle platoon -- supposed to have 39 men in a rifle platoon. Ended up being sent to Afghanistan with 24 because 15 of those soldiers had been sent to Iraq.

And as a consequence, they didn't have enough ammunition, they didn't have enough humvees. They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief.
HERE'S THE VIDEO:

ANSWER FROM AMY PROCTOR, A COMMENTER AT GATEWAY:
Amy Proctor said...

Gateway, I was STUNNED by this statement. I'm trying to contact the Operation Enduring Freedom commander to get clarification on this. My hubby is active duty and just coming back from Iraq this weekend and I can GUARANTEE Barack is full of IT on this one. The U.S. Army is not under-supplied nor would a U.S. solder EVER use a substandard Taliban weapon. What an assinine thing to say. I cannot believe Barack actually let those words out of his mouth.
8:42 PM
Blogger Gateway Pundit said...

Thanks Amy.
Please let me know if you hear anything.
8:44 PM

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Amy Proctor said...

Okay, Gateway, hubby e-mailed me pretty upset over the Obama transcript. He said this:

1. CPT’s command companies, not platoons.
2. Platoons are not divided up to go to 2 different theaters, EVER.
3. There is no ammo shortage in OEF (Operation Enduring Freedom-Afghanistan). Many platoons are deployed to remote sites in the mountains and require aerial resupply. Those resupply missions are dependent on favorable weather conditions.
4. Taliban weapons are usually not very good and we would not use them without a very high level of command approval.
5. The CDR in Chief is so high above the platoon level that comment doesn’t even deserve a response.

He’s just trying to exploit democratic boilerplate about OIF being a diversion from “the good war” (OEF). He’s wrong on many levels. We are winning in OIF. I just left Baghdad. We have everything we need except for our OWN government to be united behind victory in OIF (Operation Iraqi Freedom).
11:32 PM
  • OBAMA EITHER LIED, OR IS "BONEHEADEDLY" (TO USE HIS WORD) REPEATING LEFT-WING AND ENEMY PROPAGANDA.
  • THIS COMMENT PROVES OBAMA IS UNFIT TO BE COMMANDER IN CHIEF.
  • WILL THE MSM POINT OUT THE IDIOCY AND INCORRECTNESS OF OBAMA'S COMMENT? NO EFFIN' WAY.
BOTTOM-LINE:

BARACK OBAMA

Hillary, Opportunity Is Knocking

If Hillary Clinton really wanted this nomination, she and her people would go over Steven Spruiell's fact-gathering on Obama's tale of American soldiers in Afghanistan having to steal the Taliban's ammunition, and call BS on Obama's statement at the debate.

UPDATE: Jake Tapper talks to Obama's military source, who does not wish to be identified, and concludes that it checks out. Note Obama's statement:

"You know, I've heard from an Army captain who was the head of a rifle platoon — supposed to have 39 men in a rifle platoon," he said. "Ended up being sent to Afghanistan with 24 because 15 of those soldiers had been sent to Iraq. And as a consequence, they didn't have enough ammunition, they didn't have enough humvees. They were actually capturing Taliban weapons, because it was easier to get Taliban weapons than it was for them to get properly equipped by our current commander in chief."


I think Tapper's being a bit generous, as the officer says they never had an issue getting ammunition for their standard rifles, but for heavier weapons, the "40 mm automatic grenade launcher ammunition for the MK-19, and ammunition for the .50 caliber M-2 machine gun ("50 cal.")" I think the Obama statement makes it sound as if the soldiers were motivated to raid the Taliban to get their weapons, which the officer says was not the case.

38 comments:

Dan_Reynolds said...

Don't let the facts get in the way of the truth Rape-Public-Cans. Because the truth hurts. Now go on and swift boat this hero. The story has been fact checked and Obama was right. The Captain in question was a Lieutenant at the time. I quote:

"Prior to deployment the Captain -- then a Lieutenant -- took command of a rifle platoon at Fort Drum. When he took command, the platoon had 39 members, but -- in ones and twos -- 15 members of the platoon were re-assigned to other units. He knows of 10 of those 15 for sure who went to Iraq, and he suspects the other five did as well."

check out the link yourself. and pull your heads out of your asses: You loser pukes are such a joke. It is cute how you play along as if you had a prayer of winning 08. See there is a price to pay when you support, enable, and excuse a dry drunk AWOL failure. GOP is DEAD.



http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2008/02/from-the-fact-3.html

Reliapundit said...

the penatrgon refutes this.

this capt/lt may turn out to be another scoot thomas beauchamp...

stay tuned...

the underlying story template that obama is spewing is that afghanistan was the good/fight war and iraq the bad distraction.

tell that to aqkhan and gaddafy and zarqawi and binladen and the kurds and the shia.

and obama's retelling of the tale reveals he is unfamiliar with the structure and basic logistics of the military.

he is unfit to be commander in chief.

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I WILL POST MORE - MUCH MORE LATER

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i too make judgments on truth based on what I hope is true. and i too attempt to discredit those who present views that contradict my pre-existing worldviews. it helps me feel secure. oh, and here's the proof that I'm right: "the pentagon refutes this."

hahahah!

Evandro said...

You guys should get real jobs instead playing pundits online. The ABC fact check proves the fact mentioned in the debate yesterday. Especially you Amy! The information was about Afghanistan and not Iraq. Your husband has more guts than you. He stands for his words fighting in Iraq. I thank him for his service to this country.

Reliapundit said...

evandro - abc proves nothing.

besides: all this happened in 2003-2004 BEFORE THE LAST ELECTION, and obama was disingenuously trying to pass it off as recent.

obama might as well be bringing up d-day mistakes and running against fdr or ike.

it's 2008, and iraq has been won.

i will post more later - including links to sources who refute the beauchampesque tale.

ALSO:

the captain himself REFUTES the central element of obama's VESRION:

they didn't capture taliban weapons because they were low on guns/ammo; that was incidental to kill and capturing the enemy.

Douglas Watts said...

Not sure why a presidential candidate noting by anecdote that our military is way over-stretched is such a big deal. Bush said the same thing when he was running against Gore. What is important is that even with a military budget that is larger than all other countries combined, the U.S. military is still overstretched and overcommitted; and this puts soldiers at risk of their lives due to equipment shortages and inadequacies.

McCoy said...

Enemy propaganda?

Since when has it been Taliban propaganda to falsely claim that the US military has been capturing and using their weapons against them? Any links or actual proof that you could provide to support this wacky (even for you) claim would be handy.

When you decide to get egg on your face, you sure do go all out!

Please keep posting more of this American left = fifth column nonsense. It's been working wonders for the popularity of the American right wing.

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mccoy my dear troll...

the gop has not been hurt by the iraq war; that is a myth of the left/msm.

the gop lost the senate because of maccaccagate and conrad burns/abramoff.

the gop lost the house because of foleygate.

all these "scandals" were trumped up by the msm.

any DISINFORMATION which aids the enemy is enemy propaganda.

any DISINFORMATION which aids the enemy is enemy propaganda.

any DISINFORMATION which aids the enemy is enemy propaganda.

get it!?

obama twisted the facts to suit his purpose: to smear Bush and the Iraq War.

THE WHOLE POINT OF HIS VERSION OF THE CAPTAIN'S TALE WAS TO ARGUE THAT BUSH MISMANAGED THE WAR AND IRAQ WAS THE WRONG WAR - A "DISTRACTION".

but the captain has said obama got this WRONG: they never captured enemy weapons because of resupply problems. NEVER.

BESDIES: this allegedly happened in the winter of 2003/2004 BEFORE THE LAST POTUS ELECTION!

obama might as well be looking for mistakes we made on D-Day and smearing Ike.

obama's smear hurts our morale and reinforces enemy propaganda.

he aids the enemy.

as most leftist "anti-war" folks do - knowingly or as dupes.

DO YOU THINK OBAMA IS A DUPE!?

i don't. he is am utterly corrupt (rezko) liar and propagandist.

shit: he is NOT even an african-american! not by any legal definition.

he is a kenyan-american who is mostly arab, gentically. he is less than 12/5% black and therefore is not legally an african-american.

i think he lied on his college and law school applications.

liar. leftist.

danger to the republic.

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