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Friday, March 24, 2006

JERUSALEM AND THE SO-CALLED "AL AKSA" MOSQUE - AL-AQSA IF YOU PREFER...

Jews have continuously lived and worshipped in Jerusalem - and Judaism has held it as its spiritual center - for over 3000 years. It is literally mentioned in the Bible THOUSANDS of times. Jews have always prayed facing Jerusalem. IOW: Jerusalem is really very important to Judaism.

IS JERUSALEM REALLY IMPORTANT TO ISLAM?

The rational answer is: NOT UNTIL AFTER THE ESTABLISHMENT OF THE STATE ISRAEL. In fact, it is not mentioned even ONCE in the Koran.

There is PHOTOGRAPHIC evidence - WHICH PREDATES THE STATE OF ISRAEL - which proves how not only how UNIMPORTANT Jerusalem is to Islam, but how UNIMPORTANT THE SO-CALLED "AL AKSA" Mosque is to Islam.

Here are links to 3 photographs of the "AL AKSA" Mosque which are from the 19th Century, and show it to be virtually abandoned, definitely neglected, and in total disrepair; REMEMBER: these photos were taken at a time when MUSLIMS ruled the region. PHOTO #1, PHOTO #2, PHOTO #3. [More photos HERE.]

If Jerusalem and the "Al Aksa" Mosque were truly important to Muslims then it would have NEVER EVER been allowed to look as it does in these 3 photos. If Jerusalem was truly important to Muslims, then the Ottoman Empire might have made it the regional HQ. THEY DID NOT.

Rational persons have no choice but to conclude that the contemporary claims made by Muslims on Jerusalem and the "Al Aksa" Mosque are NOT based on any historical fact - or even original Koranic thinking, but are an ARTIFACT of the second half of the 20th century, and specifically of "radical/political Islam." [More HERE and HERE.]

ANYONE who argues that Jews should give up their rightful claim on ALL OF Jerusalem - and the Temple Mount - on behalf of an entirely BOGUS 20th Century claim made by radical Muslims is either irrational, unjust, or an anti-Semite. TAKE YOUR PICK.

Justice cannot ever be based on a lie.

26 comments:

newc said...

GOD is not important to Muslims.

I say, I say... said...

Good article, nice to see the truth once and a while... also, this isn't radical Islam BTW... the obsession with destroying the Jews is a documented MAINLINE teaching in Islam. That is not an extremist view! Most folks don't know that and the ones that do are too scared to say it!

Spartan said...

it isn't so much the idea of religion as it is the idea of land.

When Isreal was created, palestine was spit into equal halfs, the problem is most the lush furtil land went to isreal, and most of the crap desert went to palestine.

and that is where the roots of this conflict come into play, and while yeas there is a portion of religious hate involved, it's not the soul purous of the conflict.

reliapundit said...

i say i say:

i agree that NOW the muslim focus on jerusalem and the so-called al aksa mosque is mainstream, but it wasn't always so.

only the truth can set us free.

when ALL people see the truth about jerusalem and the jews, things will get peaceful. and not until.

part of this war is about fighting the radicals, and part must be about reclaiming the truth for the world - and this means, in part, force-feeding the truth to muslims.

arabs are from arabia. they are not from jerusalem of the holy land which was canaanite and amalekite, etc.

and the real actual true historical Philistines were not arabs nor did they speak arabic. they were europeans who colonized gaza.

the only extant people with any legal claim on the territotry of israel are Jews.

look at it this way:

if you BUY a car, you have legal claim on it.

if someone STEALS it, and sells it to someone who then sells it to someone from who it is them stolen, then that persoin CANNOT claim title to it.

there is only one person with a legal title to it: the lawfuyl origianl buyer.

DITTO the jews and Israel.

The Jews were given the Holy Land by God, and then conquered Canaan and killed all peoples with any claims on the land. jews have never relinquished this deed.

subsequently, many tyrannical empires have conquered the Holy Land - but throughout the entire time Jews have never left. and never relinquished their claim.

every single one of those empires hasd vanished from the face of the Earth.

Egypt, Rome, Greece, Assyria, Babylonia, the Ottomans. The only empire still around that ever had control of the Holy land is the one that agreed to cede a small part of it back to the Jews - the British Empire.

Jews agreed to build a new Jewish Homeland on that small sliver of the Holy land - and in reposne they were attacked by the Arabs. Who lost. And Israelis have been attacked by Arabs ever since. By Nasser who fell. Attacked by Saddam - who has fallen as a result.

I predict - bnased on the Bible and on history - that Arabs will only begin to flourish when they renounce any claim for any Israeli lands, and show respect Jews.

The Arabs and Muslims who make war on Israel all shall flounder and fade away - as has been true for every nation which has attacked Jews - including Nazi Germany.

In fact, I challenge anyone to come up with one nation which has ever attacked jews which survived.

Spanish empire: kaputsky. USSR: gonzo.
etc etc etc and so forth and so on.

And yet the Jews survive.

incredible, no!?

what could explain that!? HEH.

reliapundit said...

Spartan you never cease to amaze me eith your belief in FALSE WRONG SHIT!

you said...

"it isn't so much the idea of religion as it is the idea of land.

When Isreal was created, palestine was spit into equal halfs, the problem is most the lush furtil land went to isreal, and most of the crap desert went to palestine."

WRONG.

before the UN and the UK created a TINY sliver of a state of Israel, the entire area - of what is now jordan and israel and the so-called "occupied territories" - was ALL CALLED PALESTINE. 80% of British palestine became the kingdom of TRANSJORDAN, and they IMPORTED a hasemite from ARABIA - King Abdullah 1, the current kinmg's gradpa - to be the king.

the sliver of israel had ALWAYS been inhabited by MOSTLY JEWS, many also came between 1850 and 1949.

Mark twain visited the Holy Land in 1898n and desrcbes it as ampty and barren and jewish.

the jews are the ones who made it green. the properity of israel is a reuslt of jews working hard - NOIT LARGESSE OF ANYONE ELSE. this is a fact.

it is not very different than the FACT that North korea is no DARK at night, while south korea is properous ands WELL-LIT. this is NOt becasue of USA largesse, but the hard work of South Koreans working an living under capitalism and democracy.

so called "palestinians" - (now this term refers to only arabs, but from 1890's until 1949 ONLY JEWS called themselves Palestinians!) - have lived in ignorance and poverty because this is ALL their hateful false creed can yield.

as jesus said on the mount: by their fruits you shall know them.

the fruit-trees of islamothuggery are barren.

gaza and the west bank are "crap" [your word, sparty] because that is what arab culture and islam yields.

palestinians have received BILLIONS AND BILLIONS of direct aid, and have NOTHING to show for it. that;'s because of the ideolgy they practice.

which PROVES that is a false , and bad one.

aztec religion practiced HUMAN SACRIOFICE. what the pali muslims do today is not much different.

we need to LIBERATE the Msulims from their enslaving evil creed.

then their lands will fourish and we can all live as children of God.

Anonymous said...

Spartan...

As is the distribution of functioning braincells in "Spartans" skull...

Merv said...

It is interesting to see a religion that bans idolotry turn into a real estate worship cult.

reliapundit said...

good point merv. as always.

btw: the wahhabis are very weird about that idolatry thing; it's why they consider shias apostate (cause they "worship" shrines), and why the saudis have been systematically destroying all traces of m'hmm'd in mecca and medina and thru-out the kingdom.

yet they HAVE COME to think the al aksa mosque is special.

more proof the temple mount is a poltical thing. as it has ever been.

love your blog!

Muslihoon said...

A very interesting claim, and quite complicated too.

If one goes to a variety of Muslims places (shops especially), one will see pictures of the Dome of the Rock. One gets the impression that the Dome of the Rock is the Third Holiest place in Islam. While Jews call that area "Har ha-Bayit" ("Mountain of the House," meaning the House of G-d or the Temple), Muslims call it "al-Haram ash-shareef," meaning "the Noble Area."

Accurately, depictions of the Dome of the Rock would be to represent al-Haram ash-shareef rather than, technically, al-masjid al-aqSa or al-Aqsa Mosque. The clue lies with the name in Arabic. It is not possessive. That is, it is not "the Mosque of al-Aqsa" (which would be masjid al-aqSa) but, rather, "the mosque which is al-aqsa," whatever "al-aqSa" means. What does "al-aqSa" mean? "al-aqSa" means "the furthest," and so "al-masjid al-aqSa" means "the furthest mosque." This is important.

In the account of Muhammad's Night Journey to Heaven (al-israa' wa-l-mi'raaj), it is said that Muhammad was taken from the Sacred Mosque to the Furthest Mosque. In Qur'an 17:1 (soorat al-israa') it is written, "Glory to the one Who did take His servant for a Journey by night from the Sacred Mosque to the farthest Mosque, whose precincts We did bless." Where is this "Furthest Mosque"? It was determined that this mosque was near or on the Rock of the Temple Mount. Evidently, he was taken by some heavenly beast from Mecca to the Furthest Mosque, then from the Rock nearby to Heaven. And herein ends its significance. It was simply the launching point, as it were, for Muhammad to ascent to heaven. What further erodes Muslim claims is that al-Aqsa Mosque was built on the remains of what was the storehouse of the Jewish Temple.

Now, if the Ascent and Vision were spiritual, mental, or while he was dreaming (as some believe) rather than an actual physical trip, then the Furthest Mosque, the Rock, and indeed to some extent even Jerusalem looses its significance in Islam from this event. Then the claims made by Muslims about al-Aqsa Mosque and the Rock are spurious.

Most Muslims are completely unaware that the Dome of the Rock (qubbat aS-Sakhrah) is a completely different building than al-Aqsa Mosque. On Temple Square, while the Dome of the Rock is in the center, al-Aqsa Mosque is on one of the sides. If you show a Muslim a picture of the Dome of the Rock, and ask him what the building is, he will say, "Al-Aqsa Mosque." When some people say "al-aqSa" they mean "qubbat aS-Sakhrah," and because of this confusion "al-aqSa" now can connote the entire Temple Square (properly al-Haram ash-shareef). Technically, qubbat aS-Sakhrah, al-masjid al-aqSa, and al-Haram ash-shareef refer to different things (wherein al-Haram ash-shareef encompasses the other two) but are, unfortunately, incorrectly used interchangeably.

As far as Muslim claims go: Muslim claims do not in any way match or even come near to what claims Jews and Christians make on the Temple Square. For Muslims, technically, the only significance the Temple Square has is that it is from there that Muhammad allegedly ascended to Heaven to meet with G-d. However, if Islam is considered to be a rational religion which is compatible with science, this must be thrown out the window in favor of the interpretation that Muhammad's ascent and journey was spiritual or while dreaming. Even ascribing significance to Jerusalem would be disputed: the only thing that makes Jerusalem special in Islam is that Jerusalem was the first qiblah (direction in which Muslims pray). But as the qiblah has been changed, it makes no sense whatsoever to continue to fetishize Jerusalem. However, because of dastardly politicization and theologization of the Arab-Israeli conflict, Muslims will not do what is only rational and faithful to Islam. Nevertheless, this does not change the fact that Muslim claims on the Temple Mount, let alone Jerusalem, are tenuous at best. Compared to this, Jewish and Christian claims are legitimate politically and theologically.

Muslihoon said...

Sorry for the serial posting! One more thing I should point out.

Jews who pray every day will mention Jerusalem many, many times. They will pray for the end of the Exile, return to Jerusalem, and reestablishment of the House of David at the very least three times a day. They pray facing Jerusalem (ideally). Jerusalem and Israel are always on a Jew's consciousness.

You know the common and stereotypical smashing of the glass at a Jewish wedding, often followed by a joyous "Mazel Tov!" from those attending? The smashing of the glass is to symbolize that the Temple is still unrebuilt, that even in times of joy there are elements of sorrow because Jews are still in Exile.

Muslim prayers never mention Jerusalem or Israel.

The constrast is striking, no?

reliapundit said...

fascinating details muslihoon! thanks.

btw:

i am cool with the "dome of the rock" and the FACT that the wakf has control of the top.

when God wants another Jewsih Temple he will send us one. in the meantime we must make do. as we have.

here are some questions which i think reveal that the alaksa claim is BOGUS:

also: was jersuslaem the location of the mosque which was furthest away from mecca, or was there one even further away? was there even a mosque there!?

if mhmmd ascended from the rock, and the DOME of the rock is there, then the so called alaksa mosque couldn;t possibly be the one in the koran.

btw: i do NOT believe in the Koran or mhmmd. but if i did, that would be INDEPENDENT of whether the alaksa mosque is what people now claim it is. IOW: the claim about this oarticular mosque is entirely irrelevant to islam. and this irrelevance is another reason why the poltical place it presently holds in islamSIM is in truth entorely BOGUS.

and also:

i find it fascinating that the saudis have been destroying all the sites in mecca and medina associated with mhhmd becasue as wahhabists they are radical anti-idolators - even of things associated with their prophet.

so... why the focus on al aksa, since it is ONLY important in association with MHHMD and not Allah!?!?!?

in conclusion: the focus on the al aksa mosque makes NO SENSE in terms of the koran, wahhabism, history at the time of mhhmd, and muslim history of jerusalem. IT MUST BE BOGUS.

Wickedpinto said...

Mus said,
Even ascribing significance to Jerusalem would be disputed: the only thing that makes Jerusalem special in Islam is that Jerusalem was the first qiblah (direction in which Muslims pray).

Hasn't there been arguments about WHY it was required muslims first prey towards Jerusalem? I think the most common argument (since the prophet changed his mind, and since he supposed spoke with the words of god)of rational researcers was that it was actually a form of political recruitment to make Islam more palatable to the christians and jews of the regions?

Wickedpinto said...

relia said
also: was jersuslaem the location of the mosque which was furthest away from mecca, or was there one even further away? was there even a mosque there!?


Actually, I don't remember, but in the "prophets" lifetime, didn't he manage to spread islam all the way into libya? So either the muslims proclaiming jerusalem as the "furthest" are either lousy cartographers or blatant liars?

I don't care for religion at all, but even now, there is a habbit for potentialy valuable religious sites of christendom and judaism having new mosques built atop them before they can be explored.

No offense mus, or relia.

Muslihoon said...

fascinating details muslihoon! thanks.

Always welcome! Thanks for discussing this issue! Thanks to Wickedpinto for bringing it to my attention!

i am cool with the "dome of the rock" and the FACT that the wakf has control of the top.

when God wants another Jewsih Temple he will send us one. in the meantime we must make do. as we have.


"r'tzei, YY eloqenu, b'amkha yisra-eil uvitfillatam; v'hasheiv et ha'avodah lidvir beitekha, v'ishei yisra-eil utfillatam ba'ahavah t'qabeil b'ratzon, ut-hi l'ratzon tamid avodat yisra-eil amekha."

also: was jersuslaem the location of the mosque which was furthest away from mecca, or was there one even further away? was there even a mosque there!?

There was no mosque there. The Temple's storehouse was there. Or the Rock (undomed). There is no indication whatsoever that by "the Furthest Mosque" the Qur'an unquestionably means the Temple Square. I believe Jerusalem was chosen for polemic reasons, to justify Muslim conquest over and rulership of the Temple Mount.

if mhmmd ascended from the rock, and the DOME of the rock is there, then the so called alaksa mosque couldn;t possibly be the one in the koran.

Exactly. The situation, even from an Islamic perspective, is so confusing.

btw: i do NOT believe in the Koran or mhmmd. but if i did, that would be INDEPENDENT of whether the alaksa mosque is what people now claim it is. IOW: the claim about this oarticular mosque is entirely irrelevant to islam. and this irrelevance is another reason why the poltical place it presently holds in islamSIM is in truth entorely BOGUS.

Exactly. Nothing about Islam hinges on the so-called al-Aqsa Mosque. Nor does anything about Muslim rulership depend on it. As Islam commands Muslims to conquer and rule the world, there is no special reason or justification needed to conquer or rule any place.

i find it fascinating that the saudis have been destroying all the sites in mecca and medina associated with mhhmd becasue as wahhabists they are radical anti-idolators - even of things associated with their prophet.

so... why the focus on al aksa, since it is ONLY important in association with MHHMD and not Allah!?!?!?


The Wahhabis are adhering to what Islam has traditionally taught. Which is scary, if you think about it. Naturally, non-Wahhabis are enraged by their actions, but one cannot really argue with the Wahhabis: they are well-justified as far as the traditional sources of Islam are concerned. These are the people who initially wanted to raze Muhammad's own mosque and tomb (which, one must admit, most Muslims have elevated far beyond what Muhammad would approve of). They were convinced not to, and now they would not dream of doing it, not because it would offend Muslims but because it's such a money-maker for the Saudis. (Shiites publicly mourn the destruction of Jannat al-Baqee, a cemetery wherein many prominent Muslims has been buried, among which were a number of Shiite imams.)

Their continued pandering to the Temple Mount (with its al-Aqsa Mosque and Dome of the Rock) is puzzling, but it shows how the Temple Mount's importance for Muslims is more political than religious.

in conclusion: the focus on the al aksa mosque makes NO SENSE in terms of the koran, wahhabism, history at the time of mhhmd, and muslim history of jerusalem. IT MUST BE BOGUS.

Very well said.

Hasn't there been arguments about WHY it was required muslims first prey towards Jerusalem? I think the most common argument (since the prophet changed his mind, and since he supposed spoke with the words of god)of rational researcers was that it was actually a form of political recruitment to make Islam more palatable to the christians and jews of the regions?

Two reasons why:
1. Acceptability and respectability. Arabs, Jews, and Christians, and others even, would treat Muhammad and his religion differently if it was presented as an extension of the Abrahamic faiths (Judaism and Christianity). By establishing a link with ancient, established religions, it would have added respectability compared to presenting Islam as an Arab Abrahamic faith, an Arab religion, or even the creation of a certain Arab. (Although it is technically correct to lump Islam with Judaism and Christianity as an "Abrahamic religion," this is so only because it is monotheistic and shares certain legends with Judaism and Christianity. There are, however, serious theological and moral divergences which make it necessary to regard Judaism and Christianity separate from Islam and vice versa.)

2. Recruitment. By praying towards Jerusalem, Muhammad would supposedly attract the attention and perhaps even approval of Christians and Jews, who would evidently see Muhammad as one of their own (compared to Arab pagans who had little, if any, connection with Israel, Jerusalem, or the legends of Judaism and Christianity). However, when it became clear that Jews and Christians still didn't accept Muhammad as one of their prophets, Muhammad changed tactics and decided to focus on his fellow Arabs, for which he changed the qiblah to the Holy Mosque in Mecca. This change was also the beginning of discrediting Christianity and Judaism (before which they were sister communities to the Muslims), and marks the beginning of anti-Judaism in Islam. Islam is anti-Semitic by nature, and this is one reason why: Muhammad was enraged the Jews would reject him.

Actually, I don't remember, but in the "prophets" lifetime, didn't he manage to spread islam all the way into libya? So either the muslims proclaiming jerusalem as the "furthest" are either lousy cartographers or blatant liars?

Muhammad's missionaries must have reached that far, but his conquest, in his lifetime, did not encompass the Arabian peninsula. After his death, however, the realms of Islam expanded very swiftly. To give an idea how swift: Umar bin al-Khattab, the second caliph, conquered Jerusalem. Mu'awiyah bin Abu Sufyan (later to be the fifth caliph) was ruler of Syria in the reign of Uthman bin al-Affan, the third caliph. The capital of the caliphate effectively moved to Damascus under Yazid bin Mu'awiya, the sixth caliph.

As such, there is no reason for Muslims to choose Jerusalem specifically as the site

I don't care for religion at all, but even now, there is a habbit for potentialy valuable religious sites of christendom and judaism having new mosques built atop them before they can be explored.

Of course. Don't want those pesky Jews or Christians to find evidence of their faith or to honor their faith at Islam's expense.

No offense mus, or relia.

:-) You didn't say anything offensive.

reliapundit said...

mus, you wrote:

"... it is technically correct to lump Islam with Judaism and Christianity as an "Abrahamic religion," this is so only because it is monotheistic and shares certain legends with Judaism and Christianity."

i look at islam as LESS related to judaism and christianity then as Mormonism is connected christianity.

mormons may claim a connection, but that doesn't make it so.

that being said: the fruits of mormonism are not bad; the fruits of islam are not good.

ALSO:

i think that islam - wuth the deliberate help of the postmodern left - has successfully gotten the west to look at the middle east as ESEENTIALLY muslim, when in fact it was MOSTLY christian - from morocco to iraq - for nearly a thousand years before mhhmd. and there were plentyy of jews around a thousand years before that, and up until 1949-59. THEREFORE, in a sense, the INVADERS in middle east are the muslims, not the christians or the jews.

repeat: arabs are from arabia. and arabia is only a part of the middle east.

also: MOST muslims are NOT arabs.

part of the problem in islam is that it has become way too arabized and too arabized by wahhabists. Manji has written a lot about this. alot of the nuttiness/radicalness is arab and not muslim, per se. like honor killings and polygamy and stuff PREDATES islam.

all the best!

Harrison said...

Very interesting thread.

One thing we should recall is that there is no "historic Palestine" from "Jesus' time." That name was created by the Emperor Hadrian after the Jewish revolt sometime around 135 A.D. The Jews were banished from Jerusalem and Hadrian desired to wipe the memory of "Israel" from the world. It is at this point many non-Jewish Christians began blaming their problems (calling them God's judgment) on the Jewish leaders' rejection of Jesus as the Messiah rather than the Romans.

After Constantine rose to power in the 4th century, Christians began repopulating Jerusalem and "Palestine." Most believed Jesus had replaced the need for any Temple, and they had no respect for the Temple Mount. They also, unfortunately, ascribed to the "Jews killed Jesus" belief. In fact, they thought so little of the Holy Site and the Jews, they turned it into a massive dump for all things "unclean" to Jews.

So, from about 350 A.D. until sometime during the 7th century, the Christians made a concerted effort to despoil for all time the site of Solomon's Temple.

Since Muhammad's "Night Journey to Heaven" occurred sometime between 610 A.D. and 630 A.D., and alledgedly originated on the Temple Mount, he apparently took off from the top of a garbage dump.

reliapundit said...

harrison: great stuff.
what time of year was mhmmd's ascension? was it summer? (since the muslim calendar is lunar one can;t siumply telkl by noting the date/month).

if it was summmer then the aroma musta been quite strong - worse than french cheese, even. if such a thing is possible.

and if there was garbage there which was unclean for jews, then it was unclean for muslims and mhhmd too.

which makes it very UNLIKELY that it is the spot from which mhhmd ascended.

all ther best!

Anonymous said...

If the w'ahabs want to destroy so many artifices of Islam then perhaps the USAF give them a hand?

Wickedpinto said...

relia

"... it is technically correct to lump Islam with Judaism and Christianity as an "Abrahamic religion," this is so only because it is monotheistic and shares certain legends with Judaism and Christianity."

i look at islam as LESS related to judaism and christianity then as Mormonism is connected christianity


I think you are micro-minimalizing muz's point.

Muz knows I have KNOW faith in his chosen form of religion, but, he/she/they are a VERY thoughtful source of Islamic interpretation.

Please, make a point of referencing Mus's "blog" which is actually an innexact online column, but Please, Give this thoughtful muslim the respect he deserves for defending himself against an atheist (myself) and a judaic defender ( I assume ) like yourself.

Mus does what he/she/they can in defending Islam, as it is percieved as a radical FAILURE, in terms of a modern and tolerant society.

Muslihoon = http://muslihoon.blogspot.com/

reliapundit said...

facts are facts: jesus was a jew.

muhammed was not jewish or christian.

mhmmd ASSERTS a connection - which is NOVEL, not intrinsic.

also: mhhmd assert he got revelation from angel - NOT from God. and mhhmd admitted he could not tell diff between angel and devil. i know the devil is tricky, but PROPHETS are hardly like the rest of us, and shouold nt be fooled.

God spoke to the Jewish prohets, himself. The most copmmon phrase in the Bible is And God said to Moses."

why should I take the word from a prophet who was fooled by Satan and only claims to have had revelation from an angel, when there is a prohet who spoke to God - and even SAW God: MOSES.

it makes know sense on it's face. not for me.

look at history: every single empire EVER to attack the Jews has vanished from the face of the Earth: the PHAIROAHS - GONE, Greek Empire: gone/ Persian Empire: gone. Assyria: gone. Roman: gone. Nazi: gone. etc etc etc.

There is no other example of this in all of human history.

And tghe Jews are still here, adsn in the ANCIENT homeland.

This is miraculous.

Are Jews perfect: HARLDY! Our history is replete with shortcomings. The Bibile is - in way - a history of the frailties and foibles and infirmiities - moral and other wise - of Jews. It is a reminder that God is forgiving, and only demands that we live according to the Law, to Truth, to what is EternalLy Just.

This is hard FOR ALL HUMANS - and for Jews.

Judaism is the only TRULY universalist relgion. There are special laws for Jews (over 600!), but non-Jews need just follow the Noachic Code, and they go to Heaven.

And these laws are merely 10 admonitions - the TEN COMMANDMENTS - and they are easy for good people to obey. God says (paraphrasing): EVERYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA DO IS COOL! Just DON'T DO THESE THINGS!"

WOW: how liberating.

Jews have addtional requirements - which makes being Chosen to Keep the Torah a BURDEN and well as a blessing.

It is a burden because we humans are weak, and have a proclivity to the dark side.

I do not think Muslims are idolators. And I think they believe they worship the One True God.

I just feel that the fruits of their sect are wanting. I feel it is obvious.

As Jesus said: "...by their fruits you shall know them." He meant FALSE PROPHETS.

People don;t follow prophets they think are false.

I wish muz and you the best. Good Luck on your journey.

Suzanne said...

the TEN COMMANDMENTS - and they are easy for good people to obey. God says (paraphrasing): EVERYTHING ELSE YOU WANNA DO IS COOL! Just DON'T DO THESE THINGS!"

WOW: how liberating.*****


The quote above? The Ten are definitly a Guideline for all not just non-jews but also the jews. YET I have yet to know anyone that has not given false witness about someone or something at sometime in their lives. ACCORDING TO The GOSPEL I HAVE READ. to break JUST ONE LAW meaning ONE OF The TEN is just as if YOU BROKE THEM ALL. Meaning that as far as we as MANKIND WE ALL ARE GUILTY OF wrong doing. IN OTHER WORDS SINNERS WE ALL ARE. NO DENYING IT no hiding from it. AND no trying to LIE OUT OF IT. if it were not so, then we would have no reason for the GOSPEL WE HAVE been given in the first place. IT IS BECAUSE OF SIN THAT WE sit this day of our LORD and still bicker and argue about the fate and lives of the STATE OF "ISRAEL" FROM GENESIS THROUGH DETERONOMY and ON THROUGH TO the REVELATION OF JESUS CHRIST . THE GOSPEL I HAVE READ AND HEARD AND BELIEVE IN BY FAITH HAS told me that NONE ARE GOOD no not one. we all DESERVE DEATH ON THE GALLOWS for our sin. YET I believe that is what the Gospel (Good News) is all about FORGIVENESS. IT is FINISHED IT HAS been said WRITTEN and taught and said. BY whom? WE ARE TOLD JESUS SAID; "IT IS FINISHED." YET we still war and fight over land, people, and anything else that is disagreeable to and between peoples of all COLORS, AND LANGUAGES and LANDS. I believe they also warred and killed and murdered in the OLD TESTAMENT. As for me and mine WE SHALL believe in this GOSPEL. CONFESS JESUS CHRIST HAVING COME IN THE FLESH was buried and rose again being the first of the RESURRECTION HAVING done it for us all. THE TRUTH SHALL set YOU FREE.

YET KNOWING the TRUTH does not give any of us a LICENSE to sin . YET we all CONTINUE in doing those things we know not to do. even when we try to be better. LIFE.. IF but for a SEASON. and IT Is the LORD GOD ALMIGHTY THAT HAS MADE the SEASONS< TIME, and GIVEN US HIS SPIRIT. TO continue ON this JOURNEY we call LIFE.
BECAUSE OF SIN WE ALL DIE ONCE. yet it is the SPIRIT THAT we are of that will live on BECAUSE THE CREATOR of all things THERE is NO END TO HIM. NOR HIS KINGDOM. NOR the WORD THAT HE HAS GIVEN and HAD WRITTEN for all that FEAR THE LORD and meditate on His name. THE GOSPEL I HAVE READ says and has already been prophecied YOU shall CALL HIS name JESUS. IN ANOTHER PLACE IMMANUEL,
FAITH comes by hearing and hearing by the WORD, what WORD? THE ONE I HEARD a LONG time ago at the age of FOUR. spoken by a man over a pulpit in a little church with few memebers. YET I HAVE come to understand and know that WITHOUT THIS FAITH I HAVE HAD in a CREATOR OF ALL and IN ALL I would never have SURVIVED this long. IT is BY THE GRACE OF ONE LORD, FAITH AND BAPTISM, That I HAVE been BLESSED SAVED and LIVE YET THIS DAY OF OUR LORD. IN the YEAR 2007. DO I BOAST? YES I BOAST IN this GOSPEL. ABSOLUTELY DO and I AM NOT ASHAMED TO BOAST IN THIS GOSPEL either. YET MANY would DENY this very BOOK THAT HAS withstood the EONS OF TIME. and will continue to withstand JUST AS the ISRAEL we all HEAR OF AND some HAVE SAID they will PUSH HER OFF INTO THE SEA. PEOPLE CALLED JEWISH with out any THOUGHT TO what they will bring upon their own heads and the world. IT is all OVER the BLACK GOLD flowing under that area called JERUSALEM. and all around that area we call the MIDDLE EAST.
THAT BLACK GOLD HAS CAUSED more wars and trouble then anything else on this earth. YET we CANNOT DRINK NOR EAT THAT BLACK GOLD. MEN lived without it for centuries BUT MAN CANNOT live without WATER, and BLOOD. AND FAITH. FOR without faith NONE CAN PLEASE GOD!!!! and that is a truth FOR us all. What would we all do if the MIDDLE EAST becomes a pertetual place of BURNNG OF FIRES that can never be put out because of all of that BLACK GOLD UNDERNEATH the GROUND THERE? THE whole world knows the danger of a BOMB of the magnatude that fell on JAPAN in World War II would cause and NUKELOR BOMBS are out of the question for most. THERE is always the WOF MASS DESTRUCTION THOU that are SILENT and JUST MINUTE DROPS.
WHO is it that is not aware of CHEN MICAL WEAPONRY THAT our GOVERNMENT and OTHERS MUDST now DEAL with along with UNKNOWN ENEMIES because WE ALL look alike now days YET some ARMIES wear UNIFORMS and are easy to know. RIGHT? TERRORIST do not wear UNIFORMS. they DRESS IN clothes . THAT suits their purpose. CAMOFLAGE. OF A NEW KIND.

AND then OUR Own AMERICANS stand up and CRY END the WAR. well IT will end THE QUESTION IS AT WHAT price FREEDOM FOR THIS WORLD and THIS NATION and THIS PEOPLE??? are any of mankind willing to pay the price this time? TERRORIST THAT HATE the INFIDELS ARE NOT IN ANY negotiating stance . NEVER HAAVE been and never will be. BECAUSE TO them THE JEW and the AMERCAN and all that stand with ISRAEL ARE INFIDELS. NOT A GOOD senerio but TRUTH CAN HURT . yet TRUTH is and THE writting is on the wall and it should be seen by many. YET there shall always be a remnant that survive. THROUGH ANY WAR to carry on and build again what is left of the DESTRUCTION that MANKIND HAS wrought upon themselves BECAUSE OF JEALOUSY, HATE, and ENVY. and no FAITH IN A word CALLED the GOSPEL THE LIVING WORD OF GOD. LESSONS throughout YET HISTORY REPEATS itself BECAUSE WE AS MANKIND HAVE never LEARNED the LESSONS. YOU ARE CORRECT about ONE THING. IF everybody on earth dies THE JEWISH People will still LIVE. and be HERE. IT is IN THE BOOK! THEY will never forget WHAT GOD HATH MADE SAID AND DONE for MANKIND and THAT INCLUDES THE NATION (PEOPLE CALLED ISRAEL!)

stcarson said...

Why persist in the error that Mohammed visited the "furthest mosque" and that this was in, in fact, in Jerusalem? This could NOT have been...since that mosque's construction only began some 53 years AFTER the prophet's recorded death!
Perhaps he visited some other mosque that HAD been built at that time. Makes sense to me!

Anonymous said...

cool except that the three pictures here are not "al aksa" mosque that was "kobat el sakhra" mosque that mosque that they have posted is the mosque that they want ppl to think that it is "al aksa" mosque for years so they can distory "alaksa" mosque and show the world that alksa mosque is still there (which is really "kobet al sakhra" mosque), jewish want to distory alaksa mosque because they believe that their holly temple is under alaksa mosque, even though some of their scientest say that it is not their, the jews with the higher power dont believe that.
people if you want to know the trouth about anything in the world, you dont limit yourself to an article, look around and ask muslims, chances are a normal muslim now adays wont answer all your questions, you should go the the muslims with knowledge (a trusted sheikh) and ask about our religion and then start coming with conclusions.

Ghulam said...

Not very astute observations. All easily dismissed by historical facts. If there was no structure, whats all the fuss about? What site did Umar build on? Why is 700 years of mutual co-operation with Christian and Jews, not worshipping idols and respecting each others traditions, less important than wiping out the Muslim place in history with what are possible plausible assertions, but highly improbable. And yes, Al-Aqsa is mentioned in the Quraan .. which is the least astute observation as its the primary basis of Muslim assertions.

Reliapundit said...

http://astuteblogger.blogspot.com/2010/03/israel-will-actually-build-50000-new.html

Reliapundit said...

n dont confuse the dome with the aksa