Wednesday, September 16, 2009


Dave Gaubatz, who was the first US civilian federal agent to work in Iraq, has been interviewed by Front Page Magazine, explaining why Rifqa Bary is in danger, contrary to the claims of the irresponsible, poorly informed investigators who worked on the case:
Gaubatz: [...] I have visited over 200 Islamic Centers throughout America. The vast majority teach the worshippers 'Apostates should be killed' because it is a major sign of disrespect to Allah, the family of the Apostate is dishonored, and it may lead others to leave Islam.

FP: Tell us about some evidence you have of Islamic leaders in America advocating killing Muslims who leave Islam?

Gaubatz: I have never written or verbally stated anything pertaining to Islam that I do not have first-hand evidence to substantiate. This is why I always challenge any Islamic leader to come forward and not simply 'spout' off that Dave Gaubatz is wrong, but instead to indicate the issue I discussed in a sworn affidavit and say what I have said is inaccurate and they would be willing to again swear under oath in a U.S. court of law my statements are incorrect.

Specifically in regards to Apostasy, I request any Islamic scholar or Imam in America to provide a sworn statement under risk of perjury that Rifqa Bary has not committed a major sin and is subject to the death penalty. The scholar should also include in the sworn statement that Rifqa should not have any concerns about other relatives or friends of her father who will seek justice for the father because his daughter dishonored Allah and him. Lastly, I ask any Islamic leader to include in a sworn statement (again under oath and with the penalty of perjury) that they are not aware of any materials used in any U.S. mosques that call for the death of any Muslims who leave Islam.

Jamie, there will be no Islamic leader who will take me up on this offer. Why? Because they would be lying. Not that lying and deception is not conducted on a regular basis by CAIR and ISNA executives, but they will hesitate to do so under the risk of perjury and imprisonment. I will be preparing a sworn affidavit with several references I have obtained from numerous mosques across America (to include Ohio) that clearly state Rifqa and any Muslim who leaves Islam is subject to death.

FP: What about social workers, law enforcement judicial persons, or elected officials who publically state there is no evidence suggesting Rifqa Bary is at risk?

Gaubatz: I will be the first to say the person/persons who state this are very incompetent and do not need to be in a position of authority in regards to protecting the interests of children in America. The person should resign, be fired, and/or be held legally accountable for their clear incompetence that puts a child at risk.
I agree fully with this observation. Any alleged social worker who acts out of "cultural sensitivity" and flatly refuses to take the more challenging details into consideration should be banished from their job, to say nothing of shunned by the society they're supposed to protect.
FP: Does CAIR or ISNA support the same ideology that advocates killing anyone who leaves, oppresses, or dishonors Islam? Again, do you have evidence supporting this?

Gaubatz: Not only do CAIR and ISNA executives condone and support this type action, but leaders from MANA (Siraj Wahhaj), and MSA do as well. Yes, there is an enormous amount of evidence to show these leaders who are supposed to be representative of Islam, do advocate killing Muslim like Rifqa Bary who have ultimately dishonored Islam. Possibly FP readers could respectfully and professionally ask CAIR's Executive Director Nihad Awad if he is aware of any material distributed/used by CAIR or any U.S. Islamic Center that condones killing Rifqa Bary and people like her for their actions. Again he should do so in a sworn affidavit to law enforcement and the public as I will.

Jamie, what readers should focus on right now is that there are several Muslim U.S. politicians who are very much aware that Rifqa Bary and numerous other children are also at risk. One should be asking why they are not standing up for this child. Again the reason is because nothing or no one comes before Islam, not even an innocent child if they dishonor the religion.

For several years I have informed the public there are Islamic leaders throughout America who advocate the death penalty for Apostates. The Islamic leaders will not stand at the podium during Friday Jummah (prayers/talk) and verbally tell their worshippers to kill their daughters if they leave Islam and convert to Christianity, but they will fill their libraries and bookstores with exactly this insutrction [sic].

FP: You mentioned you will be providing on your website, daveg.us, several references from materials you have been provided and recommended to study by Islamic leaders from several U.S. mosques in regards to apostasy, but can you provide the readers one such reference now, and where you obtained it?

Gaubatz: Over the last three years I have conducted extensive research at Dar Al Hijrah Mosque in Falls Church, Va. Islamic leaders and some of their worshippers provided me materials to understand 'Pure Islam'. One such manual is "The Hudud" (Mandatory Punishments for specific crimes). The Arabic word for Apostasy is 'Riddah'. Below are a few quotes from the manual recommended to me to study Islam and how to be a good and pure Muslim. Note: In 2007, I went through a 'pseudo' conversion (revert) to Islam at Dar Al Hijrah in order to obtain more in depth first-hand intelligence. A popular Islamic leader Yusef Estes was visiting Dar Al Hijrah and was my witness to the conversion. My complete discussion with Estes will be made available on my site as well.

From the Hudud:

[1] "Death for hudd punishment for riddah (apostasy).

[2] "Whoever renounces his religion, kill him."

[3] "The Muslim who converts his religion, kill him."

Nowhere in the manual obtained in Virginia does it inform a Muslim father to not kill their daughter in America if she were to leave Islam (as Rifqa Bary did). No where does it inform the Muslim reader to not seek death for the Islamic sin of apostasy. Contrary, the manual does state there is no "obedience due to" any state or ruler who contradicts the laws of Allah.
I think this whole subject should be brought to the attention of Congress, and laws be proposed to help better protect children who could be targets of Islamofascism. There needs to be a hearing held to discuss it on Capitol Hill.

Hat tip: Jihad Watch.

Update: and on a related note, this is just simply devastating, but now, after reading this, I think I'm beginning to understand why LGF's blogmaster has succeeded in alienating so many recently. What's gotten into him lately? In that case, I'd better avoid LGF too. American Power has some more about this startling turnaround by LGF.

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