HOW WE'LL KNOW WW4 IS OVER

WHEN WILL W44 BE OVER??

I THINK THIS QUOTE SETS THE BAR AT EXACTLY THE RIGHT HEIGHT:

WE WILL HAVE TO FIGHT THIS WAR UNTIL...

...until the hate material is removed from sale and democratically accountable Muslim leaders emerge to contest the theologians of terrorism, anti-semitism, misogyny and homophobia

THE QUOTE IS FROM AN OP-ED BY A LABOUR MP - DENNIS MACSHANE; THE OP-ED IS PRIMARILY ABOUT ISLAMISM IN THE UK, BUT IT APPLIES TO WW4.

I THINK WE IN THE WEST OUGHT TO DEMAND THIS FROM ALL MOSQUES AND MADRASSAS HERE IN THE WEST, OR WE SHOULD CLOSE THEM DOWN AND DEPORT THEIR NON-NATIVE CLERICS FOR SEDITION.

MACSHANE ALSO WROTE THIS:

One of the constant lies of the current debate over terrorism is that it is all the fault of George Bush and Tony Blair.

The best-known Swiss in Britain today is Tariq Ramadan, the most interesting of Europe's political Islamists. He wrote recently that the 'invasion of Iraq, blind support for the insane policies of George Bush, British silence on the oppression of the Palestinians have a direct bearing on the deep discontent shared by many Muslims towards the West in general, and towards Britain in particular'.

Ramadan's views are standard tropes for many on the liberal-left in Europe.

... But as the families of those killed a decade ago remember those dreadful murders on the Nile, can Bush and Blair be blamed as the inspirers of the killing of Swiss tourists? Or what in 1995 inspired the Paris Metro bombing which killed eight?

... Something deeper is going on. To discuss this in religious terms is repugnant for many. But history is full of faiths sanctioning political murders to advance a cause.

The violence of faith takes many forms. A university report has just been published on the material available in British mosques, Muslim schools and bookshops. It reveals a violent brew of anti-semitism, misogyny and homophobia which inculcates a loathing for fellow citizens who do not conform to the rules of Islamist ideologues.

The report scrupulously quotes extracts from books and pamphlets widely available in mosque bookshops. The response of the Muslim Council of Britain was to attack the research. Instead of calling on mosques to empty themselves of such hate material, the MCB called for the report to be ignored. This arrogant dismissal does no service to Muslims.

• THE ARROGANT DISMISSAL SAYS ALL WE NEED TO KNOW ABOUT MOST OF THE MUSLIMS IN THE WEST.

• WE MUST CONFRONT THEM AND DEMAND ASSIMILATION, OR KICK THEM OUT AND CLOSE THEM DOWN.

ANYTHING LESS IS TANTAMOUNT TO SURRENDERING.