Defense Secretary Robert M. Gates suggested on Thursday that as many as 100 detainees at the prison at Guantánamo Bay in Cuba would end up held without trial on American soil, a scenario he acknowledged would create widespread if not unanimous opposition in Congress.THEY DECIDED TO CLOSE IT BEFORE DECIDING WHAT TO DO WITH THE DETAINEES. HOW SMART!
The estimate from Mr. Gates was the most specific yet from the Obama administration about how many of the 241 prisoners now at Guantanamo could not be safely released, sent to other countries or appropriately tried in American courts.
In January President Obama ordered the prison closed by the end of year, but his administration is still working on what to do with the detainees.
CAN ANYONE REALLY ARGUE THAT WE'LL BE SAFER WITH THEM HERE?
THIS MOVE GOES RIGHT ALONG WITH ENDING HARSH INTERROGATION AND WATER-BOARDING: IT MAKES US LESS SAFE.
OBAMA IS MAKING US LESS SAFE.
DISSENT ACCORDINGLY.
So, capsface, I suppose if you moved to another country - perhaps because your country of birth fucks you over, perhaps because you want different job opportunities, perhaps because you're in love with someone who lives in the new country and want to live with them there - and you were detained on - oh - NO grounds and granted - oh - NO trial nor any connection with the world outside of your cell you'd complain if you weren't tortured? Let's say via waterboarding?
ReplyDeleteForgive me for saying it so bluntly, but you are a paranoid bigot who could do with realising that other people have as much right to live as you do.
"So, capsface, I suppose if you moved to another country - perhaps because your country of birth fucks you over, perhaps because you want different job opportunities, perhaps because you're in love with someone who lives in the new country and want to live with them there - and you were detained on - oh - NO grounds and granted - oh - NO trial nor any connection with the world outside of your cell you'd complain if you weren't tortured? Let's say via waterboarding?"
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So, lets break your emotional/idiotic response and see if parnoia is really reality.
1) How in the world does wanting to move to America for the three reasons you mentioned have anything to do with being detained?
The United States gives hundreds of thousands of foreign immigrants that have been subject to persecution asylum every year. If they are attacked by their government for an inalienable characteristic, then they get in. Residency and eventually citizenship are offered to alien spouses of US citizens. There are also programs that allow recent immigrants to bring in their spouses and children.
However, I have never heard these instances as grounds for the US military or any Federal Agency to detain aliens as enemy combatants in Iraq for Afghanistan.
2) If the US military does use grounds to detain the enemy, however, since the enemy is cowardly and fights in civilian clothing, hiding behind women and children, it is easier to make mistakes. The handful of people that this has happened to have been released back into their home countries.
This leads to the argument that the islamo-fascist terrorists dont qualify for the rights afforded to enemy soldiers under Geneva. However, I'll spare you that argument since I want to get to Relia's points.
Lets say we want to be nice guys and give these brutal terrorists full due process. First, these terrorists will be moved to US soil, giving them access to American citizens they would of not had access to in Gitmo. Second, the federal court system is not suited to handle these cases. Just the issue of venue would overflow the dockets of an already backed up court system with needless litigation... and, like Relia said, they have no place to put these guys... Just one of the countless debacles of this administration's first 100 days, and just one of many examples of how BHO and his entourage have made us less safe within a blink of an eye.
So, paranoia? I dont see how having some of the most dangerous murderers in the world living down the street from you as paranoid... Why don't we quarter one of this Taliban in a room in your home, since you're so willing to have them on US soil? I mean, they're just like any law abiding citizen... right? Before you realized reality hit you, your head will be rolling five feet from your body.
And bigotry? I didn't see any discriminatory remark based on race, sex or religion.
The only thing that is clear here, Sumer, is that you're a typical liberal fascist that will label anyone that thinks outside of your and the messiah's agenda as a bigot or a wacko. Next time think before you make a complete idiot of yourself...
If you can help it.
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GREAT JOB ZANDERECH!
ReplyDeleteall i can add is this:
i marched w. dr. mlk jr; i am no bigot. not in any way shape or form.
detainees in gitmo are not entitled to genva rights as they were all out of uniform and non-nationals (not from where they were captured).
the geneva convention is a TREATY obeyed by its signatories, and not a set of intl laws which all must obey.
al qaeda is not a signatory.
and non-uniformed nationals of signatories are specifically not covered; it covers only regular (uniformed) forces.
the way gwb treated detainnes is consiostent with the way all previous presidents did durting warfare.
the ultra-lib SCOTUS gave detainees and POW'S NEW rights - which are absurd.
taken to their logical and legal extension all troops would no be required to mainatina cain of evidence for every person captured on the battlefield. we have made them cop shackled by domesticv laws while they fight a ruthless enemy overseas.
ruthless means NO compunction about doing ANYTHING: they routinely behead and TRULY torture their captured.
REPEAT: gitmo is not for folks who violate their immigration status; it's for folks who can't be treated as POW's.
until the recent ACOTUS ruling.
i suggest you read scalia's dissent.
now:
wake up or fuck off.
WUOFU!
ZANDERECH: you should blog here at TAB!
let me know if you're interested.