To many Southerners the Confederate flag is a memorial to the brave men among their ancestors who fought to defend their hearths and homes against Northern tyranny. Even Abraham Lincoln in his famous Gettysburg address did not refer to the war as fought in the name of ending slavery; [RELIAPUNDIT: WRONG! See below.] And one assumes that even Southerners can be allowed to have feelings. But their feelings don't count, apparently -- unless they are black or homosexual of course:
"TALLAHASSEE, Fla. - A Confederate flag hanging from a noose on a 13-foot gallows will remain on display despite protests from the Sons of Confederate Veterans, who call it an affront to Southern heritage.Yes. Insulting people IS the Leftist idea of dialogue.
"The Proper Way to Hang a Confederate Flag" by black artist John Sims is "offensive, objectionable and tasteless," Robert Hurst, commander of the local camp of the Sons of Confederate Veterans, said Friday.
But the Mary Brogan Museum of Art and Science said it stands by Sims' work, part of a larger exhibit called "AfroProvocations," because it wants to inspire dialogue..."
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RELIPAUNDIT: The South were INSURGENTS and REBELS ansd TRAITORS who defended SLAVERY. Lincoln fought them until they were defeated UTTERLY and defeated COMPLETELY and until they TOTALLY gave in. Romanticizing them is bad and wrong and is no different than Germans glorifying NAZIS. Sherman's march through the south was just andsgood and necessary. (WE SHOULD BE AS RUTHLESS IN IRAQ AND AFGHANISTAN!)
Anyone who flies the REBEL flag should be made to feel they ARE SUPPORTING A TRAITOROUS BUNCH OF REBEL INSURGENTS WHO BELIEVED ONE MAN COULD ENSLAVE ANOTHER - which is disgusting and wrong. If slavery is not wrong, than nothing is wrong. Lincoln said this MANY MANY MANY times.
As for the Gettysburg Address - it is all about LIBERTY AND FREEDOM - and not the immoral liberty to own a slave or to think you can withdraw from the Union. It was about the liberty and freedom ALL men are entitled to by virtue of their being alive.
The GETTYSBERG ADDRESS is ALL about freedom. I've put it in the comments section. RE-READ IT JR.
And Lincoln's SECOND INAUGURAL is all about it too. RE-READ IT JR (also in comments section). Lincoln felt the Civil War's HORRIFIC human cost - for both sides - was the price God extracted from both sides for having allowed slavery to continue in the USA.
Lincoln also correctly characterized the South as people who would use war to protect slavery, while the North would accept wear rather than see the Union torn apart. War-making rebels protecting a sinful institution versus defenders of Union and the Constitution who would rather fight a horrible war than let traitors destroy the USA.
THOSE WHO DENY THE SOUTH WERE TRAITOROUS SLAVERY-LOVERS DENY REALITY. AND ARE IMMORAL. LET THEM FLY THEIR FLAGS: THEY REVEAL THEMSELVES AS IMMORAL DENIALISTS. THEY SHOULD ACCEPT THE TRUTH. AND MOVE ON.
THE SOUTHERN FLAG SHOULD ONLY BE FLOWN BY THOSE WHO LOVE REBEL TRAITORS AND SLAVERY.
I SPIT ON THE FLAG AND CURSE IT WISH IT BURNED AND TRAMPLED UPON WHENEVER IT FLIES. THEY WERE TRAITORS TO THE USA AND LOVERS OF SLAVERY.
HAD THE SOUTH WON, THEN THERE WOULD HAVE BEEN NO USA TO STOP NAZISM OR COMMUNISM - OR NOW JIHADISM. THE INDISPENSABLE NATION WOULD HAVE NEVER BEEN.
I FOR ONE WILL NEVER LET THE SOUTHERN SLAVE-HOLDING REBELS ENJOY A SECOND OF PRIDE: THEY WERE EVIL AND BAD AND WRONG.
THAT'S NOT AN INSULT; THAT'S JUST THE FACTS - IF IT FEELS LIKE AN INSULT, THEN MAYBE ALL YOU SOUTHERN FLAG-LOVERS OUGHT TO LOOK IN THE MIRROR. IT'S JUST THAT YOU CAN'T STAND THE TRUTH.
THE REBELS DESERVE NO MORE RESPECT THAN JIHADIS. MANY SOUTHERNERS - ON THE BORDER STATES FOUGHT FOR THE UNION. THEY ARE THE SOUTHERNERS OF THE ERA WHO DESERVE UNDYING RESPECT.
IF THEY WANT TO FLY THE FLAG: LET THEM. THEY EXPOSE THEMSELVES AS SCUM WHO NEED TO BE AWAKENED THE TRUTH: THE REBELS WERE BAD AND WRONG AND DISHONORABLE.
Four score and seven years ago our fathers brought forth on this continent, a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
ReplyDeleteNow we are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war. We have come to dedicate a portion of that field, as a final resting place for those who here gave their lives that that nation might live. It is altogether fitting and proper that we should do this.
But, in a larger sense, we can not dedicate -- we can not consecrate -- we can not hallow -- this ground. The brave men, living and dead, who struggled here, have consecrated it, far above our poor power to add or detract. The world will little note, nor long remember what we say here, but it can never forget what they did here. It is for us the living, rather, to be dedicated here to the unfinished work which they who fought here have thus far so nobly advanced. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom -- and that government of the people, by the people, for the people, shall not perish from the earth.
Fellow-Countrymen:
ReplyDeleteAT this second appearing to take the oath of the Presidential office there is less occasion for an extended address than there was at the first. Then a statement somewhat in detail of a course to be pursued seemed fitting and proper. Now, at the expiration of four years, during which public declarations have been constantly called forth on every point and phase of the great contest which still absorbs the attention and engrosses the energies of the nation, little that is new could be presented. The progress of our arms, upon which all else chiefly depends, is as well known to the public as to myself, and it is, I trust, reasonably satisfactory and encouraging to all. With high hope for the future, no prediction in regard to it is ventured. 1
On the occasion corresponding to this four years ago all thoughts were anxiously directed to an impending civil war. All dreaded it, all sought to avert it. While the inaugural address was being delivered from this place, devoted altogether to saving the Union without war, urgent agents were in the city seeking to destroy it without war—seeking to dissolve the Union and divide effects by negotiation. Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came. 2
One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it. Neither party expected for the war the magnitude or the duration which it has already attained. Neither anticipated that the cause of the conflict might cease with or even before the conflict itself should cease. Each looked for an easier triumph, and a result less fundamental and astounding. Both read the same Bible and pray to the same God, and each invokes His aid against the other. It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether." 3
With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation's wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may ach
... achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.
ReplyDeleteKEY EXCERPTS:
Both parties deprecated war, but one of them would make war rather than let the nation survive, and the other would accept war rather than let it perish, and the war came.
One-eighth of the whole population were colored slaves, not distributed generally over the Union, but localized in the southern part of it. These slaves constituted a peculiar and powerful interest. All knew that this interest was somehow the cause of the war. To strengthen, perpetuate, and extend this interest was the object for which the insurgents would rend the Union even by war, while the Government claimed no right to do more than to restrict the territorial enlargement of it.
The Almighty has His own purposes. "Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh." If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman's two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said "the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether."
dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
ReplyDeletewe are engaged in a great civil war, testing whether that nation, or any nation so conceived and so dedicated, can long endure. We are met on a great battle-field of that war.
. It is rather for us to be here dedicated to the great task remaining before us -- that from these honored dead we take increased devotion to that cause for which they gave the last full measure of devotion -- that we here highly resolve that these dead shall not have died in vain -- that this nation, under God, shall have a new birth of freedom
I have to agree that JR's post makes sense.
ReplyDeleteI am hoping that Rippup's hidden agenda isn't, "... judge not, that we be not judged"
It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God's assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men's faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged.
ReplyDeleteLincoln seemed to have a more tolerant opinion of the South, but then again he was probably one of those Southern apologists.
Both sides are idiots. The wannabe "rebels" who have adopted the "lost cause" as their own would have lasted about 5 minutes with the real Confederate army. Usually there's some faux nostalgia (the landed gentry had no use for the poor whites eking out a hardscrabble existence before and after the War) and a bit of xenophobia mixed in as well.
Then there's the "confederate haters" who will not rest until they have compelled every Southerner to piss on great grampas grave. Obviously there was no kind of bravery on display among the grey uniformed folk and no motivation beyond slaves for their sacrifices. If dying in a crappy war on the losing side means your sacrifice should be treated with contempt, why do we have Vietnam memorial?
DO NOT CONFLATE LINCOLN'S MAGNANIMITY IN VICTORY, REPEAT VICTORY, WITH TOLERANCE FOR THE REBELLION OR SLAVERY OR SLAVEHOLDERS.
ReplyDeleteFACT: THE REBELS WERE DEFENDING SLAVERY AND TRIED TO DESTROY THE UNION -WITH OR WITHOUT FORCE.
FACT: LINCOLN FOUGHT TO DESTROY THE REBELLION AND SLAVERY. HE WAS OFFERED C0ONDITONAL SURRENDERS AND OTHER DEALS AND REJECTED THEM UTTERLY.
MCCLELLAN RAN ON SUCH A PLATFORM AGAINST LINCOLN - WHOM HE CALLED "A GORILLA."
LINCOLN MIGHT HAVE EASILY ENDED OR AVOIDED THE WAR BY ALLOWING THE SOUTH TO KEEP SLAVERY. HE CHOSE NOT TO. THE MAJORITY OF THE ELECTORATE CHOSE NOT TO.
MANY PEOPLE WHO FOUGHT FOR AND/OR SUPPORTED LINCOLN WERE DISAPPOINTED BY THE MAGNANIMITY OF HIS 2ND INAUGURAL - BECAUSE IT WAS CLEAR TO THEM THE COST THEY HAS PAID TO SUBDUE THE TRAITOROUS REBELLION.
AT ANY RATE: THE FLAG SYMBOLIZES SLAVERY AND TRAITOROUS REBELLION.
ALL THOSE WHO DISPLAY IT PROUDLY ARE MISGUIDED.
IT'S LIKE A RUSSIAN DISPLAYING LENIN RED FLAG, OR A SUNNI DISPLAYING SADDAM'S FLAG.
I LOVE THE SOUTH. AND SOUTHERNERS.
I LIVED THERE FOR YEARS.
THE 1960'S CIVIL RIGHTS ACTS/REFORMS ARE WHAT SAVED THE SOUTH, AND TRANSFORMED IT INTO A FAST-GROWING, ECONOMICALLY VITAL AND WONDERFUL PLACE TO LIVE.
MAKES SENSE: IF YOUR KEEPING DOWN HALF YOUR POPULATION YOU ARE JUST NOT GOING TO DO VERY WELL. LIBERATING THE BLACKS MADE THE SOUTH GREAT. SENATOR JEFF SESSIONS HAS SPOKEN ON THIS - QUITE ELOQUENTLY AND EMOTIONALLY.
THE LAST REMAINING CITIES IN THE SOUTH WHICH SUCK - LIKE NEW ORLEANS - SUCK BECAUSE OF THEIR DEMOCRAT MACHINES.
THEY WANT TO KEEP AFFIRMATIVE ACTION ALIVE - WHICH IS JUST RACISM IN ANOTHER GUISE. AND HURTS EVERYONE. ESPECIALLY BLACKS WHO COULD GET AHEAD WITHOUT IT. BECAUSE OF A.A. MANY BLACKS OF ENORMOUS ABILITY ARE CONSIDERED TO HAVE ONLY MADE IT BECAUSE OF STATE INTERVENTION IN THE MARKETPLACE. WHICH IS A BAD AND PERNICIOUS THING.
MEN LIKE CLARENCE THOMAS ARE OFTEN DERIDED BY LEFTIES AS "UNGRATEFUL BENEFICIARIES OF A.A.".
WE NEED ANOTHER NEW BIRTH OF FREEDOM IN THIS LAND - ONE WHICH SWEEPS ASIDE A.A. AND SET ASIDES.
ONE DAY ALL PEOPLE WILL BE JUDGED ON THE CONTENT OF THEIR CHARACTER AND NOT THE COLOR OF THEIR SKIN OR THEIR MEMBERSHIP IN ANY GROUP OR CLASS.
BOTTOM-LINE: THE CONFEDERATE FLAG IS A SYMBOL OF TRAITORS AND RACISTS.
IT HAS NO PLACE IN A FUTURE OF EXPANDING LIBERTY FOR ALL.