White and black Americans view Hurricane Katrina's aftermath in starkly different ways, with more blacks viewing race as a factor in problems with the federal response, according to a CNN/USA Today/Gallup poll released Monday. The poll found that six in 10 blacks interviewed said the federal government was slow in rescuing those stranded in New Orleans after Katrina because many of the people in the Louisiana city were black. But only about one in eight white respondents shared that view. The numbers were similar on whether the rescues were slower because the victims were poor, with 63 percent of blacks blaming poverty and 21 percent of whites doing so. [...] Among blacks, only 15 percent said Bush did a good job in the initial days after Katrina, and 36 percent thought he did a good job in recent days. The number for whites was 49 percent for the initial days and 63 percent more recently.
Let's look at the facts - by comparing the racial divide on Katrina to previous issues which divided America along racial lines:
(1) DO PEOPLE THINK MICHAEL JACKSON IS GUILTY OR INNOCENT
"The singer Michael Jackson has been charged with child molestation.
PROBABLY GUILTY
White 55%
Black 15%
PROBABLY NOT GUILTY
"The basketball player Kobe Bryant has been charged with rape. Do you think he is probably guilty or not?" [Base: All Adults]:
PROBABLY GULITY
WHITE Yes 77% NO 29%
BLACK Yes 22% NO 70%
(1) My first girlfirend was black
(2) I marched with Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. - who is my #1 HERO!
(3) i even supported the BLACK PANTHER PARTY in the 1970's (tho that's something I am ashamed of now!)
(4) AND: I'm a registered DEMOCRAT - and have been since 1974!
(5) If i am a racist then BILL COSBY IS A RACIST because he makes the SAME argument as me: that knee-jerk party affiliation and the welfare state and low expectations WITHIN the black community have contributed to slow economic growth of that community.
Lookit: OJ was guilty, but blacks who had a story template that said "policemen are racist and try to frame blacks" ignored the facts in the trial - (which made OJ's guilt obvious) - and believed that oj's lawyers had raised reasonable doubt. A similar thing happened with regard to KATRINA: many blacks (and many BDS libs like my Leftie commentors) interpreted events through their story-template.
ALSO: blacks in Nawlins and elsewhere reflexively vote Democrat even tho' Dems have OVER AND OVER AGAIN let them down - Dems like Nagin and Blanco. Dems and Blacks have run Nawlins for 35 years - during which time THEY IGNORED THE POOR BLACKS AND POOR BLACK NEIGHBORHOODS IN THEIR OWN CITY! The poorest neighborhoods in Nalwins DON'T EVEN GET PATROLLED BY THE N.O.P.D.! And the NOPD is run by BLACKS! One reason that the poor balck people in Nawlins are so VICTIMIZED by crime is because the NOPD - run by blacks - and the city gov't - run by black DEMS - have been able to ignore them because the poor blacks vote with the MACHINE.
MANY MANY MANY political analysyts and BLACK LEADERS have argued that blacks would have MORE POLITICAL POWER - and get better and more effective GOVERNMENT RESULTS - (like better schools and more police in their neighborhoods) - if they DID NOT all vote Dem all the time - BECAUSE THEN BOTH PARTIES WOULD HAVE TO VIE/COMPETE FOR THEIR VOTE AND THEY WOULD GET MORE. Then, instead of getting a black mayor like Nagin (and Morial and Barthelemy and Morial before that - who have each done SHIT for them - they'd get a responve accountable government - WHICH THEY - like all Aericans - deserve! It was NAGIN - a BLACK MAYOR - who IGNORED the desperate people in the Superdome and allowed them to stay in HIS SH--TY, INSECURE, IMPROPERLY SUPPLIED SHELTERS!
BOTTOM-LINE: NOTHING - that's n-o-t-h-i-n-g I have said is RACIST. I want EMPOWERMENT for ALL PEOPLE - INCLUDING BLACK. I am arguing that blacks have been ILL-SERVED by the "welfare state" and the likes of Sharpton and Jesse Jackson and Nagin and Blanco. I am arguing that blacks have been ill-served by their own reflexive connection the Democrats and to "story templates" which prevent them from coming up with effective policies - because NO effective policy can come from a faulty analysis of a problem, and "story templates" prevent good analysis. "Story templates" only reinforce pre-extisting stereotypes.
Well now, it becomes clear even to slow-wits like me. The bitter accusations against the Bush administration were a preemptive strike against Bush, and the inroads Republicans have made in the African-American community. I think what the lefties fear is, African-Americans will see that this Republican administration did a better job helping them than the local and state governments, which would cause the wrath of the electorate to fall onto the Democrat party.
So the Democrats had to resort to the lowest of tactics to keep their African-American voters in line by inoculating them with inflamed accusations of racism. Of course, this only works so well. The people blitzed by Katrina know full well that their local governmental authorities let them down. Only time will tell what effect that will have on elections, if any. But the intent of all the vitriol is clear: keep victims, mostly African-American, from viewing Republicans in a positive light by blaring shrill accusations that the “slow” Federal response to Katrina was the fault of a Republican administration full of racists…“Katrina” comes from the Greek word that means “pure” or “to cleanse.” Another word that emerges from that root is “catharsis.” Katrina may indeed help cleanse the state of Louisiana, and trigger a larger catharsis that removes some Democrat influence in the nation at large.
You sound desperate, may be next time you can also claim that the 55% of Americans that disapprove Bush performance are "anti-American traitors". After 5 years of mismanagement and ineptitude there is not amount of propaganda and spin that can cover for the obvious, Bush’s incompetence and egotism will drag the Republican Party down with him.
ReplyDeleteyo anonymous leftie:
ReplyDeletei LOVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVVE
the way you lefties debate:
open with a cheap personal attack - (you charge i sound desperate! i suggest you are projecting!)-
and then fail to adress a SINGLE SOLITARY FACT i offered.
i find that fascinating.could it be you have NOTHIGN SUBSTANTIVCE TO ADD?! yes. i think it is.
BTW: msnbc did a segment on my point: that the anti-bush numbers are the same as the "oj-is-innocent" numbers and that this reflects an underlyng racial divide and has nothing to do with HOW any level of governement actiully responded to the POSY-KATRINA CANAL break in NOLA.
IOW: American blacks - (overwhelmingly dem/left in this country) - largely reacted reflecively, blaming white racism for the SEEMING slowness of the response asd they do on MOST issues.
[i say SEEMING becassue by ANY historical standard -and especially goven the ENORMOUS size of the hurricane, the response was VERY GOOD!]
ASIDE: the poverty in new orleasn is the direct result of the FAILED welfare state and failed great society and PROVES that left-wing socialism/"paternalism" just doesnt work/just doesn't eradicate poverty.
dems and libs and blacks have run nawlins for 30 years and the poverty and the corruption has ONLY gotten worse.
they need a new mayor - an anti-crime mayor more like RUDY and less like dinkins/nagin.
when blacks STOP relexively blaming white racism and the GOP and stop reflexively voting for dems then they'll stop eating the same old government handout shit.
IOW: Bill Cosby is right.
Stupid moron even Bush said tonite that poverty is the result of racial discrimination. You must be a KKK hold out.
ReplyDeleteBlack people have brought EVERY SINGLE ONE OF THEIR PROBLEMS ON THEMSELVES!!!! White people are rich because they made good choices. Black people are POOR because they made BAD choices. Blacks have made so many bad choices for so long there is no saving these people. Do you really believe the lie that white people don't like them? F'em.
ReplyDeleteWell poisoning, anyone?
ReplyDeleteShorter Reliapundit: Black people thought OJ/MJ/Kobe was innocent, so what to they know?"
And this?
"Black people are POOR because they made BAD choices. Blacks have made so many bad choices for so long there is no saving these people."
Nice illustration of the true colors of today's GOP.
That is the real mentality of today Republican Party, a bunch of racist, elitist morons, help the rich and kill the poor, America will reject your values in no time soon.
ReplyDeleteyou lefties make the best case AGAINST leftism!
ReplyDeleteyou idioitic leftie guys say i am a racist.
that 's pure bullshit, and NOTHING i said was racist.
here are the facts:
(1) my first girlfirend was black.
(2) i marched with dr. martin luther king jr. - who is my #1 HERO!
(3) i even supported the BLACK PANTHER PARTY in the 1970's (tho that's something i am ashamed of now!)
(4) AND: i am a registered DEMOCRAT - have been since 1974!
(5) if i am a racist then BILL COSBY IS A RACIST! Becasue he makes the SAME argument as me: that knee-jerl party affiliation and the welfare state and low expectations WITHIN the balck commu7nity have contributed to slow economic growth of that community.
also: my post was about perceptual differences between blacks and white - the racial divide. i argued IT EXISTS and that events are often put into that pre-existing story template, rather than examined according to the actual facts.
that's why the polls for oj/jacko/kobe and katrina are so similar!
if people looked at the actual facts - and did not ignore facts which don't fit their story template - then they'd agree more often.
lookit: oj was guilty, but blacks who have a story template that says "policemen are racist and try to frame blacks" ignored the facts in the trial - (which amde oj's guilt obvious) - and believed that oj's lawyers had raised reasonable doubt.
a similar thing happened with regard to KATRINA: many blacks (and many BDS libs like the above commentors) interpreted events through their story-template.
they ignore facts - [that (a) the city of N.O. ignored its own evacuation plan; that Nagin had the power and means/buses to evacuate EVERYBODY, and that (b) Blanco prevented the resupply of the Superdome and the convention Center, and that (c) FEMA guidelines tell EVERY state and locality to be prepared to handle emergencies ALONE (without FEMA aid) for the first 72-96 HOURS!- and that "a-b-c" list is just for starters].
ALSO: blacks in Nawlins and elsewhere reflexively vote Democrat even tho' Dems have OVER AND OVER AGAIN let them down - Dems like Nagin and Blanco.
Dems and Blacks have run Nawlins for 35 years - dutring which time THEY IGNORED THE POOR BLACKS AND POOR BALCK NEIGHBORHOODS IN THEIR OWN CITY! The poorest neighborhoods in Nalwins DON'T EVENM GET PATROLLED BY THE N.O.P.D.! And the NOPD is run by BLACKS!
MANY MANY MANY political analysyts and BLACK LEADERS have argued that blacks would have MORE POLITICAL POWER - and get better more ffective GOVERNMENT RESULTS (like better schools and more police in their neighborhoods)- if they DID NOT all vote Dem all the time - BECAUSE THEN BOTH PARTIES WOULD HAVE TO VIE/COMPETE FOR THEIR VOTE AND THEY WOULD GET MORE.
Instead of getting a black mayor like Nagin (and Morial and Barthelemy and Moriao before that) - who have done SHIT for them. It was NAGIN - a BLACK MAYOR - who IGNORED the depsreate people in the Superdome and allowed them to stay in HIS SHITTY, INSECURE, IMPROPERLY SUPPLIED SHELTERS!
BOTTOM-LINE: NOTHING - that's n-o-t-h-i-n-g I have said is RACIST.
I want EMPOWERMENT for ALL PEOPLE - INCLUDING BLACK.
I am arguing that balcks have been ILL-SERVED by the "welfare state" and the likes of Sharpton and Jesse and Nagin and Blanco.
I am arguing that blacks have been ill-served by their own reflexive connectionm the the Dems and to 'story templates" which prevent them from coming up with effective policies.
No effective policy can come from a faulty analysis of a problem. "Story templates" prevent good analysis. "Story templates" only reinforce pre-extisting stereotypes.
buh-byee!
Excuse me? There's nothing racist at all about the suggestion that "they (presumably, African Americans) ignore facts"!??!
ReplyDeleteWho you may or may not have dated in the past is irrelevant with respect to whether or not your comments have been a gross generalization of a particular race.
The notion that because many African Americans held the views they did about OJ, MJ, and Kobe, they cannot have valid opinions regard Katrina is not only well poisoning on a racial level, but also nauseatingly offensive.
Well done. You've represented your ideology splendidly.
Sen. Strom Thurmond can also claim that his "first girlfriend" was black, since he raped his house maid when he was a teenager an have a child that he never publicly recognized. Even your excuses to justify your position are stained with racism, or is self hatred?
ReplyDeletenothing i have said is racist.
ReplyDeletethe "they" i refer too are the "they" who substitute "story templates" for facts amd reasoning - not becasue of any gene or dna or pigmentation but becasue they CHOOSE to be trapped by failed ideologies and fictional story templates.
the people who choose to blame Bush's racism for the chaos in the first 96 hours of response ignore the facts and are are illogical.
and MOST of the people who do this are WHITE LEFTIES like the above commentors.
the white lewties don't do it because of they are white. the majoprity of blacks don't do it becasue they are black,
they all do it becasue they are trapped in a faiuled ideologi asdn use that failed ideology as a story template. they deny facts which contradict their pre-existing ideology/story termplate.
and they dent that their ideology has failed UTTERLY to deliver ANYTHING it promised.
REMEBER: Nawlins has been run by the dems for 35 yeasr. the police force and the schools and the public housing ALL RUN BY THE DEMS - and their failed "welfare state" policies.
if dem polices were so samn good, then why is the poverty rate in new orleans twice the national average?
if dem policies wee so damn good then why is the crime rate TEN TIMES the national average?
the dem polices have failed the people. BLACK PEOPLE - who relexively voted them back in office OEVR AND OVER AND OVER again.
this reflex is not racial or genetic. it is HUMAN.
david brooks has written EXTENSIVELY on this. party affiliation is as striong a bond - alomost - as religious sectarianism.
it's why pro-israel jews vote OVERWHELMINGLY democrat in spite of the fact that the GOP is better for israel. 25% of the dems in Cingress vote against israel;ALL the israel bashers in ciongress are dems (except for 2 gop members).
so jews also have a "story template" which prevents them from acceptng the fact that - IF ISRAEL was their number one foreign poilicy priority - they should vote GOP.
most blacks and most jews have democrat party afffiliation that ONLY goes back to FDR.
they shopuld BOKTH change that habit.
it isn't advanteagous/effective.
and there's NOTHING raciost about that.
you commentors are also wedded to a failed ideology and also see things through its failed "story template."
BDS is a story template which prevents those "infected" to see good in anything Bush does.
for excample, what bush is doing in afghanistan and iraq and lebanon - if a dem did it, you suppport it.
THAT is intellectually dishonest.
i am a dem who supports the presient when he does the right thing,
i have supported bush since 9/11.
i think FDR and Trumnan and JFK would have too.
when bush does something bad i criticize hium.
i have been critical on MANY of his policies in this blog.
especially immigration, domestic spending, some double standards in the GWOT, etc..
i can criicize him and also praise him becaseu i am NOT wedded to any stroy template, nor do i use story templates to deny reality.
as the post-Bush speech ABC NEWS interviews at the ASTRODOME PROVE:
many MANY blacks also see throguh the lies of th4 Left and see the failures of blanco and nagin
I BELIEVE THAT SOON ALL WILL.
I BELIVE THAT KATRINA WILL OPENB THE EYES OF MANY, AND SHOW THEM THAT THE LEFT-WING/DEM CHARGES THAT BUSH AND THE GOP ARE RACIST ARE LIES.
Th tuth will wein in the end.
and just as leftosm failed in the USSR and China and India and North Korea, and Vietnam and Camobodia - adn EVRYWHERE ELSE IT WAS EVER TREIOD,
it will fail here.
leftism will be wiped out becasue iot fails to produce the goods.
it impoverishes people and makes them less free.
and the ONLY way Leftists can maintain their commttment to Leftism is to LIE and make outrageous charges, and call people like me and Bush and racist rapists.
You McCoy and the other Leftie commentors have proven ONCE AGAIN - better than I ever could have - that you have no shame.
and no sense of the truth.
only when you abandon your failed ideology will you see the light.
i hope ypou do: you'll find it very enlightieng - pun intended.
i know because i was a leftist.
then i saw the light.
you can too.
just relax and repeat these words: Reagan was right; Thatcher was right; Deng Tsao Ping was right; McGovern - and Stalin and Hitler amd Mussolini and Pol Pot and Ho Chi Minh and Allende and Daniel Ortega and Kim Il Sung/Kim Jong Il all the other leftists were wrong.
there. was that so bad?
What’s bad is your suggestion (sorry to repeat this again, but you continually fail to respond to it) that because “Blacks” (your choice of wording) had the opinions that they did about OJ, Michael Jackson, etc…, it is proof that they are unable to have valid concerns about the federal response to Katrina.
ReplyDeleteThe long, incoherent rant regarding “the left” was a rather transparent attempt at distracting from the offensiveness of your original comments.
African Americans are not the poor, trapped-by-a-story-template sheep that you keep attempting to portray them as. Trying to soften things by blaming ‘the left’ does not make your implication that African Americans are incapable of reasonable evaluation any less despicable.
THE POLLS ASKED PEOPLE TO IDENTIFY THEMSELVES BY RACE, AND THEN ANSWER A FEW QUESTIONS.
ReplyDeleteTHE POLLS RESULT REVEAL A RACIAL DIVIDE.
THE POLLS ALSO REVEAL THAT BLACKS AND WHITES SEE THE SAME EVENTS AND INTERPRET THEM DIFFERENTLY.
THE DIFFERENT INTERPRETATIONS ARE NOT BECUASE OF DNA OR GENES OR SKIN PIGMENTATION.
IT IS BECASUE OF "LEGACY THINKING."
BLACKS ARE OVERWHELMINGLY DEM/LEFT - AS ARE JEWS.
THIS IS DUE TO WHAT I WILL CALL "LEGACY PARTY AFFILIATION."
LEGACY THINKING AND LEGACY PARTY AFFILIATION HAS NOT SERVED THE BLACK COMMUNITY WELL.
NOT IN NOLA - OR ANYWHERE ELSE.
LEFT-WING POLICIES HAVE NOT WORKED ANYWHERE AT ANYTIME.
FDR'S POLICIES PROLONGED AND DEEPENED THE DEPRESSION. THAT'S A FACT.
VIETNAM IS BECOMING CAPITALIST BECUASE MARXISM FAILED THEE AS IT FAILED EVERYWHERE.
LEFT-WING DEMOCRATS - WHO ARE WHITE AND BLACK - REFUSE TOP SURREWNDER TO THE TRUTH AND ABANDON THE POLICIES WHICH FAILED.
WHEN HALF OF BALCKS ARE GOP AND CONSERVATIVE THEN THE POLLS ON THINSG LIKE KOBE AND JACKO AND OJ WILL ALSO CHANGE BECASEU IT WILL SIGNAL THAT BLACKS HAVE ABANDONED LEGACY THINKING, AND REPLACED IT WITH LOCIAL THINKING, AND OPENNESS TO ANY CONCLUSION THAT MAKES SENSE AND TO POLICIES WHICH ARE EFFECTIVE.
I VOTED AGAINST REAGAN - AND DINKINS, BUT KNOW I KNOW THAT REAGAN AND RUDYT WERE RIGHT.
I ADMIT THIS EVEN THOUGH IT GOES AGAINST THE POLITRCAL LEGACY THAT I WAS RAISED IN. I CVN DO THIS BECAUSE I'D RATHER SEE POLICIES THAT DON'T WORK REPLACED BY POLICIES THAT DO WORK. RESULTS ARE EVERYTHING.
I HAVE LOST FRIENDS OVER THIS. PEOPLE WHO PUT THEIR AFFFILIATION ABOVE POSITIVE RESULTS.
PARTISANS.
LEFTISTS WHO REAMIN ATTACHED TO LEFTIST POLICIES ARE FOOLS.
NO MATTER WHAT RACE THEY ARE.
BLACKS ARE NOT TRAPPED SHEEP; I NEVER SAID THEY WERE. I NEVER MADE A SINGLE SOLITARY RACIST COMMENT.
THE ONLY GENERALIZATIONS I MADE WERE IN THE CONTEXCT OF THE POLL RESULTS, AND EXTRAPOLATING THEIR IMPLICATIONS. MSNBC DID AN ENTIRE SEGNEBNT ON THIS; THEY WERE NOT RACIST TO DO SO.
THE RACIAL DIVIDE IS REAL - THOUYGH, AS I HAVE SAID OVER AND OVER AND OVER AGAIN, IT IS NOT EGENTIC OR RELATED TO PIGMENTATION OR ANYTHING BIOLOGICAL.
THERE ARE OTHER LEAGCIES BESIDES THE BIOLOGICAL, THOUGH. AND ONE THAT DOESN;T SERVE THE BALCK COMMUNITY IS THE LEAGCY OF LEFTISM AND THE LEGACY OF DEMOCRAT PARTYY AFFILIATION.
THAT'S WHY I CITE BILL COSBY, WHO HAS EXHORTED THE BLACK COMMUNITY TO BREAK FREE OF FAILED IDEOLOGIES AND FAILED POLICIES AND LEGACY THINKING THAT DOESN'T WORK.
IT'S TOUGH FOR EVERYONE - OF ALL RCAES AND CREEDS - TO BREAK FREE OF THESE AFFILIATIONS. IT'S TOUGH FOR BLACKS AND JEWS AND BLUE-COLLAR UNION-WORKERS TO BREAK FREE OF THEIR LEGACY AFFILIATION TO THE DEMOCRAT PARTY.
IT'S TOUGH FOR EVERYONE TO BREAK FREE OF LEGACY THINKING. IT'S TOUGH FOR BLACKS AND JEWS AND LEFTISTS.
BUT IT IMPORTANT TO TRY.
IT IS IMPORTANT TO LOOK TRUTH IN THE EYE: ADMIT OJ WAS GUILTY; AND THAT NAGIN AND BLANCO WERE THE CHIEF FAILURES IN THEIR RESOPNSES TO KATRINA; THAT THE DEMOCRAT PARTY IN NOLA HAS FAILED THE IMPOVERISHED BLACK COMMUNITY THERE FOR DECADES.
AND - TO TOSS OUT ANOTHER EXAMPLE OF BAD LEFTIST LEGACY THINKING - NAMERLY THAT VIETNAM WAS A BAD WAR) IT'S IMPORTANT TO ACCEOT THE FACT THAT THE VIETNAM WAR WAS NOBLE AND GOOD AND JUST WAR WHICH WE WON MILITARILY, AND WHICH WAS LOST ONLY BECAUSE LEFTIST DEMOCRATS PULLED THE PLUG ON OUR ALLIES IN THE EMERGING DEMOCRACY OF THE SVG IN 1975.
MCCOY: PLEASE GO ELSEWHERE FOR AWHILE. THINK THESE THINGS OVER, AND ONLY COME BACK IF YOUR MIND IS OPEN.
BYE AND GOOD LUCK.
MCCOY, YOU WROTE:
ReplyDelete"your implication that African Americans are incapable of reasonable evaluation ..."
AU CONTRAIRE:
MY POINT IS THAT THEY ARE CAPABLE OF BETTER THINKING! AND OF ADVOCATING BETTER POLICIES AND OF VOTING FOR BETTER POLITICIANS.
WHEN BLACKS AND JEWS MINDLESSLY PULL THE LEVER FOR DEMS, THEY ARE NOT SERVING THEMSELVES OR THE NATION.
THE MINDLESS ACTION IS NOT DUE TO THEIR GENES OR RACE OR CREED. IT'S A LEGACY. A VESTIGE. ONE THAT IS TOUGH TO SHAKE FREE OF BECAUSE PARTY AFFILIATION IS A KEY WAY WE IDENTIFY OURSELVES AND OUR PLACE IN THE COMMUNITY AND THE WORLD.
BILL COSBY SHOOK THINGS UP WHEN HE EXHORTED BLACKS TO SHAKE LOSSE FROM THE FETTERS OF LEGACY THINKING AND LOW EXPECTATIONS.
BUT HE REFUSED TO ACCEPT THAT BLACK COULDN;T CHANGE. AND I AGREE WITH HIM.
WE CAN ALL CHANGE AND GROW.
EVEN YOU CAN, MCCOY! YUP:I EVEN THINK YOU ARE CAPABLE OF SEEING THE LIGHT.
THAT'S WHY I BOTHER TO ALLOW COMMENTS AND RESPOND TO LEFTISTS LIKE YOU.
I WANT YOU GUYS TO OPEN YOUR EYES AND SEE THE LIGHT.
ALL YOU HAVE TO DO IS THINK ANEW.
RISK IT. IT'S SCARY, I KNOW.
IT'S TOUHG TO ADMIT THE POLICIES YOU'VE ADVOCATED ALL YOUR LIFE WERE WRONG.
BUT ONCE YOU DO IT, YOU'LL FEEL GREAT.
AND YOU'LL BE CONTRIBUTING MUCH MORE TO MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.
INSTEAD OF GETTING IN THE WAY.
WHICH IS WHAT YOU DO HERE ON MY BLOG.
AND WHAT THE LEFT DOES ALL OVER THE WORLD.